Our dear Chris and the Allah changing his mind doctrine

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 29, 2007 at 11:19

Abrogation or al-Nasikh wa al-mansukh well your Allah says in the Qur'an it is OK to drink al-khamra (the fermented) and then he changes his mind and declares that al-khamra is haram and this is what the doctrine of abrogation is all about. Your Allah also says: la ikarah fi al-deen (there is no compulsion in religion) and then he changes his mind and tells you in ayat al-sayf: iqtoloo al-mushrikeen or kill the polytheists. This means that Allah changed his mind again and it means that Q9:5 abrogated the "no compulsion" see how easy it is? and remember if it is sauce for the goose (al-khamra and is it to drink or not to drink) it is sauce for the gander (to allow for the no compulsion or to use the swrod to get the infidels to convert to islam) So you see you logic here is flawed and now do you see why we infidels believe that the Qur'an is a confused book.

For the readers the confused and cofusing book called al-Qur'an tells us for example that it is OK to drink khamra (read as wine or nabidh) then it tells us no one should drink al-kahmra (read this as wine or nabidh) and it also tells us: there is no compulsion in religion but it also tells us also kill the polytheists! Big time confusion. So what was the way out? Q21:106 was God sent and this is the foundation of the doctrine of abrogation where Allah states that he indeed changes his mind.

And here is your bonus for today our dear Chris: your Allah makes a grammatical error in the aya where the word nnsahaa should be nns'ahaa. So much for the poor Arabic of the Arabian God.

For those interested in reading about the doctrine and the rule of ayat al-sayf or the word verse in abrogation I suggest the following sources:

1. Kitab al-nasikh wa al-mansukh by Hibatallah (d 410AH-1019 CE)

2. see Suyuti's Itiqan iii page 69. and the fact that ayat al-sayf abrogated 124 Quranic verses and you ain't Suyuti our dear Chris

3. Kitab al-nasikh wa al-mansukh by Nahhas

5. You can also find a very interesting analysis of abrogation in QS and see pages 185-188 and 194-202

So our dear Chris prove me wrong and like I say books and qawamees wa kutub al-tafseer wa al-ma3ajim will be accepted as evidence. The following will not be accepted as evidence:

1. Wikipedia.

2. Paki/Muslim web sites

3. Our dear so called Hamza Yusuf's rantings

But again if you can believe that the God of the univese spoke to an Arabian war lord and caravan raider albeit via an angel you can believe anything

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