Faisal Khan: Instead of pontificating about it why don't you tell us what is the meaning of Islam

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 23, 2009 at 22:27

>>This is a reply to btilly, I wish nobody takes it personal.

I wish to write, once again, you people with great great knowledge did not understand the meaning of Islam at all.<<

This post of yours tells us nothing about the meaning of Islam. If you know the meaning why don't you reveal it to us? But can you deny that the fundamental message of Islam is that of "tawhid", belief in one God and His last prophet, failing which you are burned in hell for ever? If you think a little over this message you will realize how silly and ridiculous it is. Have you asked yourself why there cannot be more than one god? You probably think that if there are many gods they will probably fight it out just like humans on earth for supremacy. The attribution of human qualities of jealousy and desire for power to the divine is ridiculous. If one god can exist there is no reason a zillion cannot exist peacefully among themselves.

>>I would ask you all to get a copy of Quran in English(or any other language you are good at) and read it at least once, believe me Its a beautiful book…<<

What is your concept of beauty in a scripture? Do verses that curse and abuse people who do not believe in it count as beauty in scriptural material? If so here are some "beautiful" verses from the Koran:

002.161 YUSUFALI: Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah's curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind;

002.065 YUSUFALI: And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

002.159 YUSUFALI: Those who conceal the clear (Signs) We have sent down, and the Guidance, after We have made it clear for the people in the Book,-on them shall be Allah's curse, and the curse of those entitled to curse,-

>>… - the last and final book, revealed on last and final messenger Prophet Muhammad pbuh, and you know it has a complete chapter on Prophet Jesus pbuh.<<

The book itself claims it is the last book. What if another book claims it is the last book of revelation? The Messenger and the book he recited make this claim to Muhammad being the last messenger. What proof have they offered except their own statements? Why would you not believe someone who made such a claim now?

And which chapter is the one devoted to Jesus? It also has a complete chapter on Muhammad's uncle Abu Lahab and his wife in which the all-powerful Allah is reduced to cursing two puny humans and issues threats of hellfire against them, Surah 111.

>> You would also come to know it asks to kill whom and in what circumstances,…<<

One of the circumstances Islam asks Muslims to kill or get killed is Allah's cause in 9:111 i.e. enforcing belief in tawhid (what other cause is there in Islam?).

Another circumstance, and whom Islam asks Muslims to kill is apostates:

004.089 YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their

This means if anyone rejects Islam (turns apostate, become a renegade) after accepting it Muslims are asked to search them out and kill them.

>>…it also says that if your neighbor does not feel safe coz of your evil deeds you cannot enter paradise…<<

Where it does the Koran say any such thing? You should have the courtesy to give the reference to the ayat so that the reader can check whether your claim is true or not.

>> There are beautiful preachings, just read it once.<<

I have read the Koran a few times by different translators, including Muhammad Asad whose efforts at diluting the Koran's extreme verses are commendable. I have mentioned some of the preachings in the Koran in 9:111, 2:65,4:89 which even Asad has failed to make sound beautiful . What kind of mind would it be to consider them beautiful preaching? How beautiful would this verse sound even in the original Arabic:

004.056 YUSUFALI: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Just get the smell of roasting human flesh reading this verse. How sweet and beautiful a smell is it?

>>Moreover, if somebody blames the religion of Islam that it asks to "Kill" then Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian …<<

Allah asks Muhammad and Muslims to kill in 9:111. Jesus did not ask Adolf Hitler to kill. Hitler did not kill for the sake of Jesus. Muhammad and Muslims kill for the cause of Allah as demanded in 9:111. Allah commands Muslims and Muhammad in 9:29 to kill or subjugate non-Muslims. Jesus (not to be confused with the Yahweh i.e. Allah of the Jews in the OT) did not ask Hitler to kill non-Christians in His gospels.

>>…my dear friends and not to forget the command to bombard Hiroshima and Nagasaki with "Little Boy" and "Fat Man" Nuclear bombs (1945) which destroyed the humanity killing more than 220,000 innocents - and later many died of injuries related to radiation, even today the country is paying for it.<<

The command to A-bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not to be found in the Bible. But the command to fight and kill or be killed is found in the Koran in 9:111, 9:29.

>>This is not "Christian", somebody may ask, is THIS mentioned in Holy Bible? Kill INNOCENTS, and THIS way? then i believe Christianity must be blamed off and on.<<

It is not Christian. It will be Christian if you can find such commands to kill in the NT. Surah Tauba (9:29) makes it mandatory for Muslims to kill and subjugate:

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The Koran makes fighting compulsory for Muslims:

002.216 YUSUFALI: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

>>This is NOT the case, I would ask not to make assumptions related to any religion by observing the followers. READ and find yourself what the religion says if you wish to raise questions and obligations.<<

Koran verses 2:216, 9:29 and 9:111 prove to all that Islam is a violent and intolerant religion that asks its followers to kill and humiliate non-Muslims. Observing the actions of Muslims only serves to confirm the violent and intolerant nature of Islam.

>>I do not think that a person like your good self would have any problem in reading what's written in the Glorious Quran in your own friendly language.<<

I am sure it is because btilly has already read what is in the Koran, which is why he has written what he has.

>>Moreover you can take ANY copy, it has not changed a word since it was revealed.<<

What is the great significance of a book's not having changed a word since it was written? How do you know copies in existence before the ones now available were not different? How is it possible to have Koran's published with some verses missing as does Rashad Khalifa's version which does not have 9:128 and 9:129?

And why did Uthman have all copies of the Koran burnt that did not agree with his? He would not have burnt the others if there were no differences in them. Why are there differences between the Cairo and Tunisian Korans? Why do the Yemeni Koran parchments have many differences with the ones in existence now?

Regards

Plato

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