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Reader comment on item: Trump: You Should Ban Islamists, Not Muslims
Submitted by ECAW (Serbia And Montenegro), Dec 12, 2015 at 08:43
I know that Dr Pipes has said that Mohammed was not an Islamist but just a Muslim, but here is his definition "Islamists are those Muslims who seek to apply Islamic law, oppress women and non-Muslims, and establish a worldwide caliphate".
Which of those boxes does he not tick?
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Daniel Pipes replies:
Islamism is a modern ideology derived from Islam. No pre-modern Muslim, including Muhammad himself, was an Islamist. For example, he did not have advanced ideas about Islamic economics. He did not see Islam in opposition to a dominant Western civilization. And so on.
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| 1 | Muslims are the sea that islamist swim in. [6 words] | Ed May | Apr 6, 2016 11:58 | 228737 | |
| Kind of funny the first paragrapgh. [222 words] | Lynn | Mar 14, 2016 09:12 | 228413 | ||
| General [11 words] | Firozali AMulla PhD | Mar 6, 2016 04:48 | 228332 | ||
| I propose different policy; curtail all immigration [166 words] | Stuart Fagin | Jan 5, 2016 02:04 | 227492 | ||
| 1 | Banning muslim is workable, and is not unconstitutional [99 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Bill Pike | Jan 4, 2016 22:21 | 227484 | |
| 2 |  What to do if a political party declares itself to be a religion [248 words] | Prashant | Jan 9, 2016 22:23 | 227484 | |
| 1 | Thanx Prashant [40 words] | Bill Pike | Jan 10, 2016 22:39 | 227484 | |
| 3 | Saluting Trump; he did what no one has done in 1400 years [242 words] | Prashant | Jan 28, 2017 22:58 | 227484 | |
| 3 | Aren't all Muslims Islamists ? [78 words] | Bindair Dunndat | Dec 31, 2015 01:14 | 227380 | |
| correcting Mr. Trump's hate speech [302 words] | Abu Fatima | Dec 29, 2015 06:06 | 227342 | ||
| 4 | Fatal mistake of Abu Fatima [218 words] | Prashant | Jan 17, 2016 10:55 | 227342 | |
| Suppose 2% of bananas posed a lethal danger [146 words] | Jeff | Dec 26, 2015 11:39 | 227291 | ||
| Trump is on the right track,just needs semantic lesson in Islam lexicon [199 words] | Bob Jack | Dec 25, 2015 09:14 | 227280 | ||
| Except that it is Constitutional [17 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Boston Liberty | Dec 22, 2015 10:17 | 227219 | ||
| 1 | Assurances needed [94 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Gloria Stewart | Dec 20, 2015 18:20 | 227170 | |
| 1 | Christians pose no threat [68 words] | Gloria Stewart | Dec 21, 2015 18:58 | 227170 | |
| Question to Dr. Pipes [150 words] | Sameach | Dec 24, 2015 00:47 | 227170 | ||
| Colorado Springs shooter was a radicalized Christian [26 words] | Lyle Smith | Dec 24, 2015 13:45 | 227170 | ||
| Yes, there is a difference [96 words] | Michael S | Dec 25, 2015 15:28 | 227170 | ||
| Why taxonomize when it does not explain anything? [225 words] | Prashant | Dec 20, 2015 05:55 | 227164 | ||
| Lie detector test may help [80 words] | Curtis Freedland | Dec 20, 2015 00:21 | 227161 | ||
| Donald Trump [24 words] | pat Steward | Dec 19, 2015 21:14 | 227160 | ||
| Muslim migration into Europe [221 words] | Alvin Samuels | Dec 17, 2015 16:47 | 227130 | ||
| 1 | Jews weren't treated Sooo Nice in Muslim countries [51 words] | Jim40 | Dec 16, 2015 12:06 | 227091 | |
| 1 | muslim can be banned [26 words] | not so | Dec 16, 2015 11:37 | 227090 | |
| Of course it's constitutional and acceptable! [200 words] | Malcolm | Dec 16, 2015 01:59 | 227085 | ||
| 1 | vetting individual muslims insufficient - no Turkish community in Germany [638 words] | myth | Dec 15, 2015 05:51 | 227073 | |
| 4 | Muslims in Australia [674 words] | Ken Gunn | Dec 14, 2015 22:26 | 227071 | |
| 1 | To Ken Gunn [117 words] | Australia | Dec 17, 2015 12:25 | 227071 | |
| It takes a fireman to put out a fire. A roomful of commentators cannot put out a fire [119 words] | Alan | Dec 14, 2015 16:41 | 227068 | ||
| The Constitution has nothing to do with it. [160 words] | Gee | Dec 14, 2015 12:18 | 227065 | ||
| How to detect muslims? [266 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Amir | Dec 14, 2015 11:07 | 227062 | ||
| US Constitution Apply to Citizens [78 words] | Cathey | Dec 14, 2015 10:55 | 227061 | ||
| America is not a secular nation. [113 words] | Cathey | Dec 14, 2015 10:40 | 227060 | ||
| More than 10 - 15 % of Muslims must be Islamist (Or why am I wrong to think this?) [81 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Lyle Smith | Dec 14, 2015 09:50 | 227056 | ||
| 2 | Muslim immigration [90 words] | dhimmi no more | Dec 14, 2015 09:25 | 227055 | |
| 1 | Ban Islamists, Not Muslims [83 words] | Dan Ost | Dec 14, 2015 08:40 | 227053 | |
| 1 | Practical issues of implementing Trump proposal - and the real issue [137 words] | Dr. Aaron Lerner - IMRA (Israel) | Dec 14, 2015 04:12 | 227048 | |
| dissimulation is the rule [158 words] | y Brandstetter MD | Dec 14, 2015 01:05 | 227046 | ||
| 4 | Trump is Chump but He is Right This Time [219 words] | Dajjal | Dec 13, 2015 23:07 | 227044 | |
| Religious [22 words] | AlbertE. | Dec 13, 2015 22:41 | 227041 | ||
| Screen [27 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | AlbertE. | Dec 13, 2015 22:38 | 227040 | ||
| Trumps call for a Muslim Halt is worthwhile [266 words] | Mike Conlon | Dec 13, 2015 22:33 | 227039 | ||
| Trump is making us look bad [96 words] | Frankz | Dec 13, 2015 22:17 | 227037 | ||
| stopping muslim/islamic immigration [24 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | John Rasicci | Dec 13, 2015 17:02 | 227034 | ||
| 1 | USCIS screening question re polygamy [110 words] | John Cavanaugh | Dec 13, 2015 12:18 | 227030 | |
| 1 | Islam, Islamism and The Keystone Cops [146 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Dave | Dec 13, 2015 10:58 | 227028 | |
| Experimental Pro-Democracy approach [489 words] | Demsci | Dec 13, 2015 10:58 | 227027 | ||
| 2 | True Muslims Cannot Be Democratic [116 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 17, 2015 22:29 | 227027 | |
| It's about putting conditions upon entry and residence in(to) democratic nations [195 words] | Demsci | Dec 21, 2015 12:57 | 227027 | ||
| 10-15% [28 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Boris | Dec 13, 2015 03:14 | 227026 | ||
| 2 | Potential USCIS questions to screen Islamists who reject Constitutional principles [583 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | John Cavanaugh | Dec 13, 2015 00:23 | 227022 |
| 1 | Outstanding comment [9 words] | Bill | Jan 4, 2016 20:46 | 227022 | |
| Naturalization of Refugees or Temporary Shelter? [88 words] | GaryE. | Jan 25, 2016 02:10 | 227022 | ||
| Screen all incoming persons [206 words] | John Cavanaugh | Jan 28, 2016 10:32 | 227022 | ||
| "Trump: You Should Ban Islamists, Not Muslims" [245 words] | Leslie Satenstein | Dec 12, 2015 21:29 | 227017 | ||
| 1 | THERE ARE NO MODERATE MUSLIMS [80 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Dianne | Dec 12, 2015 21:20 | 227015 | |
| The litmus tests [178 words] | Anon | Dec 12, 2015 16:47 | 227009 | ||
| 1 | Who likes muslims anyway? [150 words] | Ad | Dec 12, 2015 14:56 | 227007 | |
| Sam Harris "islamophobe" [56 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Ely | Dec 12, 2015 14:26 | 227006 | ||
| 5 | The problems is not Muslims, but Islam and our leftists and politically correct leading us to suicide [457 words] | Satya D | Dec 12, 2015 13:40 | 227005 | |
| Yes, Islam is the big problem,but because it is multi-interpretable [278 words] | Demsci | Dec 18, 2015 05:21 | 227005 | ||
| 1 | Wishful Thinking [127 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 21, 2015 20:01 | 227005 | |
| think about total of Quran-Hadits-Sira (1200 years old + unchanged) + what apologists say. [270 words] | Demsci | Dec 24, 2015 10:10 | 227005 | ||
| The Qur'an itself IS also really only a Hadith! [169 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 27, 2015 02:30 | 227005 | ||
| A difficult problem but I strongly differ... [260 words] | Doug Mayfield | Dec 12, 2015 13:38 | 227004 | ||
| 10%-15%? Some 25% of British Muslims polled said the 7/7 attacks were "justified". [45 words] | Anon. | Dec 12, 2015 13:22 | 227003 | ||
| 1 | Unworkable? [211 words] | Peter Chew | Dec 12, 2015 12:36 | 226999 | |
| Outrageous? [161 words] | Peter Chew | Dec 12, 2015 12:25 | 226998 | ||
| Perhaps not unconstitutional? [117 words] | Peter Chew | Dec 12, 2015 12:15 | 226996 | ||
| Is there an exact overlap between Islamists and Jihadist sympathisers? [144 words] | Anon. | Dec 12, 2015 12:12 | 226995 | ||
| 1 | Saudi [66 words] | Bob | Dec 12, 2015 11:47 | 226993 | |
| And the US government can tell? They don't even get CAIR! [120 words] | Abu Nudnik | Dec 12, 2015 10:53 | 226989 | ||
| Nice try,,, [155 words] | Wallace Schwam | Dec 12, 2015 10:13 | 226987 | ||
| 3 | Misunderstanding of Islam by secularists [415 words] | Philip | Dec 12, 2015 09:54 | 226985 | |
| Time is running out for Muslims [223 words] | Demsci | Dec 19, 2015 00:29 | 226985 | ||
| who is in charge? [208 words] | Philip | Dec 21, 2015 07:53 | 226985 | ||
| Banning Islamists not Muslims [137 words] | Donald | Dec 12, 2015 09:42 | 226982 | ||
| Islam its the sea in which Islamists swim [62 words] | Anthony A | Dec 12, 2015 09:32 | 226980 | ||
 Muslim or Islamist [49 words]w/response from Daniel Pipes | ECAW | Dec 12, 2015 08:43 | 226979 | ||
| 6 | What about the four "normal" in Islam approved methods of deception Takiyya, Tawriya, Kitman, and Muruna? [93 words] | Maria Erlinda Martinez | Dec 12, 2015 02:31 | 226961 | |
| 9 | Banning Muslims [35 words] | Brian O' Reilly | Dec 12, 2015 01:55 | 226959 | |
| They're just following their book! [85 words] | John S | Dec 12, 2015 19:33 | 226959 | ||
| Trump Speaks A Truly Inconvenient, and probably Constitutional Truth [355 words] | Mike Conlon | Dec 13, 2015 21:55 | 226959 | ||
| Good question! [55 words] | Jaladhi | Dec 14, 2015 14:23 | 226959 | ||
| 4 | Just cut off their heads: ban the Islamic cult [150 words] | Alain Jean-Mairet | Dec 12, 2015 01:50 | 226958 | |
| 3 | Trump is Fine on Islam [208 words] | SAKOVKT | Dec 12, 2015 01:44 | 226957 | |
| Kalegri [49 words] | John S | Dec 12, 2015 22:24 | 226957 | ||
| 1 | moderates are the fifth coloum of the Islamic army of fighters for their caliphate. [166 words] | rodney allsworth | Dec 12, 2015 01:30 | 226956 | |
| If they're "moderate" they should be calling the FBI on the killers [41 words] | BBernardo Stevens | Dec 12, 2015 09:39 | 226956 | ||
| 12 | There is no such thing as an "islamist" - their Qur'an calls them "muslims!" And crime-gangs are already illegal. [1169 words] | Uncle Vladdi | Dec 12, 2015 00:38 | 226955 | |
| 2 | Islamism? [134 words] | Dajjal | Dec 13, 2015 21:21 | 226955 | |
| 3 | How to convince a majority of democratic citizens [375 words] | Demsci | Dec 14, 2015 06:20 | 226955 | |
| 2 | Islam Trumps Nationality [1316 words] | Uncle Vladdi | Dec 17, 2015 19:15 | 226955 | |
| 2 | "Islamism" = "Islamic," and "Islamist" = "Muslim." [118 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 17, 2015 19:28 | 226955 | |
| 1 | Being Pro Democracy in a habitual clear way rather than being only anti-Islam [458 words] | Demsci | Dec 21, 2015 21:09 | 226955 | |
| 1 | Look how apologists turn and twist in whitewashing Islam [348 words] | Demsci | Dec 22, 2015 03:58 | 226955 | |
| 1 | It's illegitimate to claim islam is moderate in any way. [86 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 24, 2015 23:29 | 226955 | |
| 1 | Democracy isn't enough [1215 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 24, 2015 23:47 | 226955 | |
| Islam is a monopolist ideology, for sheep, isn't it? [334 words] | Demsci | Dec 31, 2015 03:32 | 226955 | ||
| Are we ABI or ADATI, do we want only freedom FROM or also freedom To? [142 words] | Demsci | Dec 31, 2015 04:20 | 226955 | ||
| LIBTARDATION DEFINED AND EXPOSED [667 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 31, 2015 17:35 | 226955 | ||
| 1 | GOLDEN RULE OF LAW vs. BRAZEN RULE OF CRIMINAL CHAOS [1551 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Dec 31, 2015 17:45 | 226955 | |
| To know and promote what we are FOR [308 words] | Demsci | Jan 13, 2016 17:36 | 226955 | ||
| God (Islam) has to be better, or is otherwise superfluous. [340 words] | Demsci | Jan 13, 2016 17:58 | 226955 | ||
| 1 | Positivist Law is positively BAD [447 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Jan 17, 2016 22:23 | 226955 | |
| 1 | The Lesser-Expectations of Habitual Liberal Racism [578 words] | UNCLE VLADDI | Jan 17, 2016 22:32 | 226955 | |
| Encouraged [49 words] | Daniel | Dec 11, 2015 23:59 | 226954 | ||
| 2 | Perhaps [97 words] | PHILIOR | Dec 11, 2015 22:54 | 226953 | |
| 4 | How do we tell the difference? [49 words] | WeMustResist | Dec 11, 2015 21:01 | 226951 | |
| 1 | President Trump's State of the Union Speech [612 words] | Dave | Dec 11, 2015 20:57 | 226950 | |
| 1 | Does that also include… [22 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | Dan Schwartz | Dec 11, 2015 20:00 | 226949 | |
| 2 | Genuine separation between the two is not possible!! [45 words] | Jaladhi | Dec 11, 2015 19:58 | 226948 | |
| 2 | Sudden Jihad Syndrome [155 words] | Dale Ehrgott | Dec 15, 2015 01:44 | 226948 | |
| 4 | the Constitution is not a Suicide Pact [227 words] | ktchnsnk | Dec 11, 2015 19:56 | 226947 | |
| 4 | Amusing Article [103 words] | Bill | Dec 11, 2015 19:50 | 226946 | |
| As they its a distinction without any difference!! [67 words] | Jaladhi | Dec 18, 2015 15:30 | 226946 | ||
| 2 | How to identify "Islamists?" [36 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | philleshfan | Dec 11, 2015 18:49 | 226942 | |
| 1 | Lives are at stake [202 words] | WeMustResist | Dec 12, 2015 05:56 | 226942 | |
| Interesting 2003 Article... [118 words] | philleshfan | Dec 12, 2015 18:27 | 226942 | ||
| 1 | Very much so.... [150 words] | Soloview | Dec 11, 2015 18:45 | 226941 | |
| 3 | Muslims Are Required To Be Islamists, or else they are Apostates [421 words] | Mike Ramirez | Dec 11, 2015 18:28 | 226940 | |
| Quite agree [2 words] | Vijay | Dec 11, 2015 17:49 | 226938 | ||
| 7 | Don't admit moslems [61 words] | alexandra roth | Dec 11, 2015 17:48 | 226937 | |
| Good post, Alexander - almost poetic [24 words] | Michael S | Dec 14, 2015 18:54 | 226937 | ||
| 4 | HOW TO TELL AN ISLAMIST FROM A MUSLIM ? [256 words] | Jacques Hadida | Dec 11, 2015 17:42 | 226935 | |
| 2 | in theory, yes - in practice, problems [288 words] | Jeffrey | Dec 11, 2015 16:55 | 226933 | |
| 2 | Unconstitutional or Too Constitutional to Question? [847 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | TL Winslow | Dec 11, 2015 16:53 | 226932 | |
| I know you are, but what am ? [423 words] | T.L. winslow | Dec 12, 2015 12:25 | 226932 | ||
| 1 | In Response to your piece to ban Islamists, not Muslims [250 words] | elaine | Dec 11, 2015 16:35 | 226930 | |
| That is What Trump Meant [108 words] | Barry Black | Dec 11, 2015 15:56 | 226928 | ||
| 2 | I've been pushing that the idxeology of Sharia is the problem - not the religion of Islam [267 words] w/response from Daniel Pipes | DrRJP | Dec 11, 2015 15:21 | 226925 | |
| 1 | Obama is a Closet Muslim [54 words] | Brian O' Reilly | Dec 12, 2015 06:10 | 226925 | |
| 3 | Sharia is a "Law" like the Mafia is a "Business!" [252 words] | Uncle Vladdi | Dec 12, 2015 16:54 | 226925 | |
| 1 | Semantic Games [169 words] | Dajjal | Dec 13, 2015 22:17 | 226925 | |
| Emergency [42 words] | AlbertE. | Dec 13, 2015 22:45 | 226925 | ||
| 5 | ... Daniel Pipes [110 words] | Michael S | Dec 11, 2015 14:51 | 226924 | |
| Godspeed, Donald Trump! [305 words] | Michael S | Dec 12, 2015 07:36 | 226924 |
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