think about total of Quran-Hadits-Sira (1200 years old + unchanged) + what apologists say.

Submitted by Demsci (Netherlands), Dec 24, 2015 at 10:10

Uncle Vladdi, first, all that you quote is accurate, and it IS clear, but it is not the TOTAL of Quran-Hadiths-Sira (QHS) . There is more in there, also contradictory verses, usable for peace.

Then: The contents of QHS have not been changed # 1200 years. How can these then not be obsolete and thus incomplete? And that too is unclarity. Thanks to you we know what remains of Islam are the 5 Maddhab's + all that "tafsir". But WE as Islam-experts can argue that those are manmade interpretations and not valid.

There are 3 positions; mine, + yours, that Islam is clear, but this is coming from someone critical about Islam. The 3rd position is that of ALL Muslims + the apologists; they also declare that Islam is clear. BUT, when pressed, they paint a very different picture about Islam from yours, using the peaceful verses. And they say it is benevolent.

And now WE can say that YOU are right and they in denial, lying, ignorant, mistaken etc.

OR we can use what the apologists say and what YOU know and compare the two. And present it to the political corrects. And then we can say; look; how Islam says many things that are not literally interpreted by all Muslims, who derive many different conclusions (whether they lie or speak truth) from the same limited unchanged body of texts.

And this may give politicians like Cameron, Rutte, Merkel, the next American President the courage and the support to declare Islam itself problematic because of multi-interpretability. Now these politicians and the media repeat only what the apologists tell us.

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