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"Pope Francis denounces modern-day 'Judases' behind terror attacks"

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Submitted by Robert (United States), Mar 24, 2016 at 16:41

As is common knowledge, Erdoğan is an avowed "Islamist."

Although I do not personally aprove a non-Muslim making this distinction - on the ground that only a Muslim is qualified to say who is, and who isn't a true Muslim - I do recognize that Religions generally, from the Secular point of view, embody a quasi-historical narrative.

We are now asking Muslims to report to secular other Muslims who possibly contemplate a Terrorist act. In that vein it is important to point out that Jews having reported another Jew, Jesus, to the ruling Roman Empire authorities, did not in itself constitute a crime, for which Pontius Pilate, the Fifth Prefect of the Roman province of Judea from AD 26–36, & who served under Emperor Tiberius, resulted in the trial and crucifixion of Jesus. One way to respond to this narrative is perhaps to point out that Money should not have been the motive. But a harsher critique would be that of pointing out that Pilate was the lawful civil authority at the time, and Jews had the legal obligation to report a "troublemaker."

"Pope Francis denounces modern-day 'Judases' behind terror attacks"
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/pope-francis-denounces-modern-day-judases-behind-terror-attacks

If we are going to be critical of Islam by calling a part of it Islamist, it is also, therefore, necessary to Deconstruct the Christian narrative and announce that Jews who reported Jesus to Pontus merely carried out their duty to Rome.

Even though after Vatican II Jews after Christ's conviction by Pilate who were not alive during the period were deemed innocent of Christ's death, there nevertheless exists the issue of injustice in the civil realm while a duty exists to obey the law.

This is important because not only Islam depicts Jews in a disparaging way, but Christian demagogues, besides average anti-Semites do so still, though arguably less harshly that some Muslims or Islamists. And President Obama has labeled the current Iranian ruling Ayatollah and anti-Semite. Jews and Christians - if they are to be non-discriminatory towards Muslims, must equally ask, on the boarders of Religious disputations, who is to blame for the death of Jesus? But since all "Christians" alive at the time when Jesus lived cannot logically be guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus since he was convicted by a Roman Court.

All living Jews -particularly secular ones, therefore, should love Jesus as a self professed Jewish prophet who was Unjustly condemned by Rome. But to demand that 2,000 years ago a court should be as fair as a modern Western court seems unreasonable; especially because of the American model of modern jurisprudence in Guantanamo Bay (consider the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuses).

If we're going to criticize Islam, we should include a critique of Christianity, including the Murder of Jews and Muslims on the Road to the Holy Land; as well as the subsequent replacement crucifixion by Quartering and Burning Alive at the Stake; in that context, Saudi Arabia's Muslim Beading seems more merciful.

"Pope Francis denounces modern-day 'Judases' behind terror attacks"
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/pope-francis-denounces-modern-day-judases-behind-terror-attacks

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