Zumarra, Mizmar and the Semitic root Z-M-R and the saga continues!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 3, 2021 at 17:54

Our dear Pascal wrote:

>Zemmour and Azemmour are also toponyms in North Africa where olive trees are present.

This does not prove much right? This is just as saying تين وزيتون must be Arabic words after all Muhammad talks in the Quran about تين وزيتون in Mecca which is bizarre! And BTW تين وزيتون are Syriac/Aramaic words. These are loan words in Arabic

>The family of Zemmour tells us they where Berber (Amazigh)

You mean Amazigh (the invading Arabs called them Berber and they were brutalized as per Ibn Kathir by the Arabs). Stop calling them Berber. They want to be called AMAZIGH. Do you get it?

https://www.thenationalnews.com/opinion/comment/don-t-call-us-berber-we-are-amazigh-1.965334

And their language is called Tamazight (sp?) right?

>and that their name means olive tree and you want it to mean زمر يزمر تزميرا كالمزمار

And زمر يزمر تزميرا كالمزمار! Mashallah this is shish kabab falafel and hummus. You did not prove anything so far. And for all I know Zemmour might agree with you.

>You can find the same sounds (phonetics) in two different dictionaries. Which is the most appropriate one ?

We are ignorant so do tell us!

>I think we can do better and go deeper : zamar is no doubt a semitic word

Mr. genius, then it is not from the Tamazight language which is not a Semitic language! Is this what you are saying? The root Z-M-R is a very old Semitic root and you will find it in Hebrew, Syriac/Aramaic, Arabic and I believe also Akkadian and Ugaritic and it means song/singing and the Zumara and Mezmar included.

>and I am sure it has what to do with a hebraïc origin, because Zemmour is a jewish northafrican and semitic family,

That makes perfect sense. Jews in the Middle East spoke Aramaic and the language of the Temple was Hebrew and Aramaic and then following the Arab invasions they also spoke Jewish Arabic and I suspect that in the case of North Africa they also spoke Tamazight

Take the case of the word Psalm/Psalms: In Christian Arabic it is مزمور/مزامير and in Syriac/Aramaic it is ܡܲܙܡܘܿܪܵܐ or Mazmura and it is from the same root Z-M-R and it makes perfect sense if the etymology of his name has to do with the word Psalter and in Aramaic ܟܬܵܒ݂ܵܐ ܕܕܵܘܝܼܕ or in Arabic مزامير داود and it is about songs/singing/worshiping and very much Old Testament

BTW: Why did Muhammad call the Psalms زبور ? Only Allah A'lam or he was hard of hearing.

So far you did not prove anything.

>so it has, from my point of view, more ties to the hebraïc origin.

No your not done. Can you provide us with a link to a Tamazight dictionary for the word olive/olive tree

Thank you

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