For thetruth al-Turki the Qur'an says that Jesus is God part deux

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Sep 16, 2006 at 08:28

My dear thetruth al-Turki.

Let me start by saying I'm not Muslim but I study Islam and how it came about, so I'm not here to defend Christianity, I'm here to examine what the Qur'an really says.

In part one we examined Q3:49 and we came to the conculsion that the poor theologian Abul Qasim (Muhammad) is saying:

1. Jesus makes birds from clay.

2. Then Jesus would breath life in such clay birds.

3. And because only God can do such a thing as breathing life.

4. Jesus must be God.

5. But Muhammad likes his Biidhin Allah (and his Insha'allah) this does not change the fact that Jesus was breathing life into clay birds and it was not Allah that was breathing life into such birds therefore Jesus must be God.

Now if we examine the words Biidhin Allah:

1. Bi means with

2. Idhin it means: permission, authorization, choose, willing (ref: see Hans Wehr Arabic dictionary page 11B ans see also Lisan al-3Arab qamoos). The word leave is a poor translation of the word idhin.

3. Allah means Allah

So Biidhin Allah here means with Allah permission.

It is very obvious that your Allah gave Jesus a permision to "breath life" into clay bird. But no human being can do such a thing even with your Allah's permission as it is the job of your Allah to creat life unless Jesus is a God and because your Allah is makkar (deceiver) Allah and Jesus are one and the same. Do you get it?

Now, in reagrd to al-roh al-quodos or the Holy Spirit in Q2:253 let me repeat what I wrote:

1. We have this al-roh al-quodos coming out of no where in this aya, and the poor theologian that Muhammad was, he did not define it.

2. In the 10th extant Christian Arabic translation of the Bible: The Holy Spirit becomes: al-Roh al-Quodos and I'm sure that you would agree with me that Christians in the 10th century would not have dared use such translation unless at some stage in the Quranic tafseer al-roh al-quodos was indeed the Holy Spirit. Notice also that the early 3Ulama _guessed_ that it was Gabriel.

3. So based on the old saying in the tafseer: "al-tafseer lel sahaba wa al-ta'weel lel 3Ulama/Jamii3" I can very much argue that al-roh al-quodos could very well be the Holy Spirit of the Trinity. Remember that let us say Tabari or Ibn Katheer were not Sahaba and their opinion is only an opnion and not a fact. So the question to you ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer: who is al-roh al-quodos and why?

4. The aya says that Jesus was strengthened (supported is a poor translation of the word ayydnaahu/ayydnahu and for the different rasms of this word see part one). So Jesus was strengthened by the Holy Spirit. Big deal.

You my dear theteruth you are told by your Allah to: "fight in the cause of Allah" which means that you thetruth that is just a human being is asked to support/strengthen the God of the universe. So I do not see why if Jesus can breath life into clay birds with biidhin Allah and to see him being strengthened by the Holy Spirit, that you who is just a human being are asked to support/strengthen your Allah the God of the universe.

The most absurd about all of this is that your Allah borrows a story (Jesus and the caly birds) from the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. So much for the word of Allah.

You are the victim of the poor Muslim theology and I do not feel sorry for you.

Now should Turkey join the European Union? The answer is NO.

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