For Fahad and suicide in the Qur'an and the sira and the hadith and other sordid matters!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 12, 2006 at 13:15

My dear fahad I'm sure you are very aware that the Qur'an is _slient_ about suicide. I guess your Allah was not a psychiatrist and did not know that the ultimate complication of depression and you guessed it is: Suicide! But this is another story.

However, we are told that the closest that we can get to a prohibition of suicide in the Qur'an, and it is not close enough, is in Q4:29. But if you read it says: "....wala taqtulu anfasakum...." But the word anfasakum was interpreted in the ancient commentaries as: "one another" and this is indeed what it means. So the Qur'an is silent abot suicide.

So how did we get the anti-suicide thing in the islamic tradition? The only source is the hadith and if one does not believe in the historicity of the hadith (I think all the hadith is bogus) we are left with nothing.

However, and as per Malise Ruthven that in islam "if suicide is subsumed in an act of martydom it becomes a different matter." Then he quotes a famous story in Ibn Ishaq'a "Sirat Rasul Allah" (see Guillaume's translation page 300) and it goes as follows:

"3Auf bin Harith at the battle of Badr "Oh apostole of God" 3Auf asked the prophet "what makes the Lord laugh with joy at his servants" to which the prophet replied "when he pliges into the midst of enemy without armor" upon which hearing this 3Auf drew off his mail-coat and threw it away then seized his sword and fought the enmey until he was killed."

This tradtion was interpreted by the ancinet commentaries as: suicide is allowed as long as it is subsumed in an act of martydom (istishHad).

So you can see now my dear Fahad that the likes of the murderer Muhammad 3Atta used such tradition to justify his suicide and killing thousands of innocent people in the process. My guess is he was after the "ghulman" of your Allah';s little paradise.

Like I say: shame on you for supporting a religion that brutalized your ancestors.

Your claims so far are bogus.

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