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Our dear mansoor says that the caliphate was a "smooth system"! Really?

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 18, 2008 at 08:03

Our dear mansoor wrote

>Islamic Governing systems, specially Caliphate era, can be considered a smooth system

ROTFL Are you out of your mind as usual? well let me see the first four khalifas were

1. Abu Bakr the so called al-sadiq

2. Omar the so called al-farooq or the redeemer and that is a good one

3. Uthman and his bogus Uthmanic recension

4. Ali and his Fatima

And three of them were killed!

Killed our dear Mansoor al-tablighee by other Arabs. And let me guess why? They wanted more share of the loot! What do you think? So much for the "smooth system"

And there was no Qur'an and no books of law and no books of Fiqh or hadith or sira the foundation of Islamic law. So how can you have a smooth system when you have no foundation for such system?

Oh I forgot and during such period (from 632CE to 661CE) Muslims were fighting and destroying the great empires of the late antique period and enslaving infidels and collecting the mafia tax known as: jizya 3an yad and collecting the loot and sending 1/5 of it to Allah and his rasul. I just wonder how did they get the loot to Allah and his rasul?

There were famines in the Hijaz and without the infidles and without food from Egypt that was sent there (via the Trajan canal and on to the red sea) more Muslims in the Hijaz would have died

So much for a sooth system.

But this is not all: Muslims were fighting each other. And at the end Mu3awiyya and the Umayyads destroyed such evil system and killed Ali

And do you know why fanatical Muslims did not like the Umayyads? Let me help you: The Umayyads liked to have a good time and drink wine and party and have dancing girls and have dogs and never wanted to go back to backward Mecca and opted to stay in Syria with its wines and great climate and good food and great looking women

How come you did not know that?

>when it comes to individual calm and satisfaction and smooth running of social system. There are lot of examples of the level of happiness, security and abundance of wealth enjoyed by the countries of that era.

Yes and to paraphrase what you wrote: "there are lots of examples of levels of happiness security and abundance" but the Caliphate is not one of them except in the minds of lost people like you. You are but another victim of Islam

But this is not all: Next on the agenda of Islamic imperialism was your ancestors the Hindus that were brutalized by Muslims and Islam. Shame

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Freedom of Choice in a Democracy, or Choose to Serve Islam: One Cannot Have Both [494 words]M. ToveyApr 17, 2008 15:52126001
In 6 centuries, maybe, but not in the foreseeable future [192 words]JaredApr 17, 2008 15:17125998
Islam Is a Trojan Horse [105 words]Amil ImaniApr 17, 2008 14:48125995
Response to Amil Imani [9 words]Another AmericanApr 20, 2008 01:06125995
Islamic Reformation? [66 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
PaulApr 17, 2008 14:47125994
Response to Paul and Daniel Pipes [15 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Another AmericanApr 20, 2008 01:12125994
Haskalah [57 words]jennifer solisApr 29, 2008 00:45125994
Democracy or Demolocracy [644 words]MansoorApr 17, 2008 14:26125993
1Our dear mansoor says that the caliphate was a "smooth system"! Really? [452 words]dhimmi no moreApr 18, 2008 08:03125993
They were martyrs. [192 words]MansoorApr 19, 2008 22:33125993
Caliphs in Islam -- Reply to Mansoor [291 words]Romesh ChanderApr 20, 2008 01:42125993
1Our dear mansoor and the absurd [500 words]dhimmi no moreApr 20, 2008 07:47125993
Turn your face... [159 words]MansoorApr 22, 2008 09:30125993
1Our dear Mansoor and his praise of Arabian imperialism [82 words]dhimmi no moreApr 22, 2008 21:37125993
2Dream on our dear Mansoor [430 words]dhimmi no moreApr 23, 2008 13:32125993
1caliphate means what? [233 words]G.VishvasMay 10, 2008 10:40125993
Fundamental Issue [48 words]Mark GApr 17, 2008 14:20125992
Democracy, Islam, and the way out, if there is one.... [329 words]Denis MacEoinApr 17, 2008 14:12125989
ethnocentric [131 words]jimApr 17, 2008 13:18125986
‘Islamic-Democracy' is oxymoronic [195 words]OliverApr 17, 2008 12:53125985
Are Muslims doomed to follow the same path? [96 words]Solomon2Apr 17, 2008 12:50125984
Islam and Democracy [179 words]OldBlue64Apr 17, 2008 12:03125980
Heartening Disheartening History [209 words]David SabghirApr 17, 2008 12:00125979
Defining "Islamic Democracy" [139 words]Mike RamirezApr 17, 2008 12:00125978
anxious times for Turkey [448 words]trans-parereApr 17, 2008 11:45125977
Muslims receive no benefits from the government [70 words]Lars NielsenApr 17, 2008 10:41125973
You're killing me [216 words]K.H. AhmedApr 17, 2008 10:04125969
not necessarily [199 words]mz ravin blackApr 17, 2008 23:20125969
Democracy and Islam are inherently incompatible [307 words]David CampbellApr 17, 2008 09:47125967
Lybian piracy [66 words]Marie-ClaudeApr 17, 2008 17:08125967
Newsweek and the Barbary Pirates - Islam and Democracy revisted [239 words]David CampbellApr 23, 2008 16:33125967
Mr Campbell [64 words]Marie ClaudeApr 23, 2008 18:24125967
"Tradition of Piracy"? Sorry, Marie-Claude, that won't cut it [133 words]jennifer solisApr 24, 2008 05:01125967
is that a proof ? [24 words]Marie-ClaudeApr 24, 2008 17:25125967
A complex issue [1008 words]Amitabh TripathiApr 17, 2008 09:42125966
You've touched to the core of the issue [347 words]Bob JenksApr 18, 2008 10:38125966
western civilization never allows anything grows parallel to capitalism [260 words]syed muhammad aliApr 17, 2008 09:22125965
A Democratic Islam [60 words]PhillipApr 17, 2008 09:21125964
A clear and succinct summary of the situation - thank you so much [151 words]Bob JenksApr 17, 2008 08:57125962
I suppose... [26 words]Doug CorriganApr 17, 2008 08:55125961
"the family" [564 words]German ObserverApr 17, 2008 08:52125960
Islam, the missing links [32 words]Marie ClaudeApr 17, 2008 07:49125956
To Daniel Pipes: Religion of Democracy is not more 'Just' than Religion of Islam [291 words]Syed Rafey HusainApr 17, 2008 06:43125952
HUSSAIN YOUR STATEMENTS [575 words]S.MirzaApr 19, 2008 02:38125952
Gotta luv Daniel Pipes [59 words]jennifer solisApr 24, 2008 05:38125952
Syed Raffey: More about women and slaves in Islam [381 words]PlatoMay 2, 2008 00:10125952
Liberal democracy is not a religion, neither is "real" Islam: both are political philosophies [192 words]WedhimmissubmitwillinglyOct 3, 2008 19:43125952
To Wedhim: Liberal democracy, if it does not teaches that one day you will die then it is false in its very essence [85 words]Syed Rafey HusainOct 7, 2008 03:22125952
Islam doesn't work as a political philosophy [302 words]WedhimmissubmitwillinglyOct 8, 2008 12:52125952
Democracy & Islam [212 words]Ian CampbellApr 17, 2008 05:56125948
U.S. STATE DEPT GETS IT ALL WRONG ON TURKEY AND ITS EU MEMBERSHIP [757 words]G. MarcusApr 17, 2008 05:46125947
No Muslims No Terrorists [297 words]Alain Jean-MairetApr 17, 2008 05:45125946
Alain has it right! [29 words]Doug CorriganApr 24, 2008 11:05125946
wrong [19 words]marie-ClaudeApr 25, 2008 16:59125946
Don't you forget the Care Bears [12 words]Alain Jean-MairetApr 26, 2008 06:41125946
A Democratic Islam? [96 words]Ilbert PhillipsApr 17, 2008 05:20125926
Democracy and Islam [735 words]Erich WiegerApr 17, 2008 05:07125924
close, but a bit off-mark [218 words]TajApr 17, 2008 04:43125921
Taj: Is Allah being just presumptuous in 9:111? [324 words]PlatoMay 2, 2008 00:17125921
yesterdays hand was brushed aside [319 words]trans-parereMay 3, 2008 21:34125921
a bit about jails [110 words]TajMay 5, 2008 20:31125921
all decisions are of great consequence [611 words]trans-parereMay 6, 2008 18:59125921
Allah is never presumptuous [203 words]TajMay 16, 2008 14:40125921
pattern of behavior [141 words]TajMay 17, 2008 04:45125921
yes, the individuals patern of behavior not their skin colour. [725 words]trans-parereMay 17, 2008 21:59125921
Taj: Not really? Really? [625 words]PlatoMay 18, 2008 08:38125921
Yup, really... Plato [677 words]TajJun 1, 2008 19:43125921
1Taj: The Prophet's last sermon made Muslim women domestic animals/prisoners of men [999 words]PlatoJun 18, 2008 04:22125921
not hardly... [516 words]TajJun 22, 2008 01:14125921
3Taj: An expected response. But why does Allah and his apostle allow women to be beaten? [1293 words]PlatoJun 26, 2008 04:51125921
Point well taken. [14 words]jennifer solisApr 17, 2008 03:21125910
Veil for all [309 words]ThiaganApr 28, 2008 08:21125910
"Head covering" in the Bible [249 words]jennifer solisApr 28, 2008 17:16125910
addendum [35 words]True BelieverMay 5, 2008 07:15125910
establishment clause [35 words]Francesco MangasciàApr 17, 2008 02:42125907
Silk purse [46 words]Roger WarnerApr 20, 2008 07:29125907
Silk purse and Vatican [136 words]Francesco MangasciàApr 21, 2008 03:23125907
Democracy and Islam [388 words]Carl GoldbergApr 17, 2008 01:58125904
lost honour [128 words]leo solomonApr 17, 2008 17:39125904
Democratic Islam is impossible ! [37 words]Anne-Marie DelcambreApr 19, 2008 01:26125904
Islamic democracy [87 words]joeMay 18, 2008 07:28125904

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