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Submitted by SarahSue (United States), Mar 28, 2009 at 03:23

Mr. Pipes, I have read most of your articles and feel confident that your knowledge of the Middle East is extensive. You have a great deal of expertise regarding of islam.

However, there is one area where you and I disagree. That disagreement is based on the premise that there are 'good' muslims and 'bad' muslims, moderates and extremists.

To explain myself, I have to first start with the koran. It has plenty to say about haven and hell and the paths to each. The descriptions are so detailed and graphic that every muslims hopes to go to heaven and all are terrified of hell.

Muslims that stray from the path to heaven and start to 'moderate' themselves, that it, start to get along with non-muslims, are very unstable. In the blink of an eye, all peace between neighbors can change if an imam comes along to remind them that they are going against the teachings of the koran. This reminder, along with the lurid descriptions of what happens to muslims that forget the instructions of the 'prophet' are enough to put any muslim back on the straight and narrow.

When you couple with the teaching of the koran, i.e. that deceiving your enemy is an accepted form of warfare, that killing your non-muslim friend is okay, that there is no loyalty to any non-muslim no matter how kind they have been, with the threat of hell, any muslim will turn on any non-muslim. This had happened time and time again. The most notable instance happened in Pakistan.

'In 1971, in Bangladesh, I saw a well-equipped invading Pakistani Muslim Islamic army indiscriminately killing millions of civilians and raping two hundred thousand women. The institution of Muslim Islamic leadership supported the invading army capturing and killing freedom fighters and non-Muslims. Each of the four thousand mosques became the ideological powerhouses of the mass killers and mass rapists. And those killers and rapists, those Islamist, were the same people of the same land as the freedom fighters and raped women.' Muhammad bin Abdulla, a former Muslim from Bangladesh

I have read many first hand accounts of muslims living in peace and posterity with non-muslims in isolated villages and towns. Many of the merchants of these villages were non-muslims that treated the populace with kindness and consideration. They extended credit to all and forgave the debt of the poorest inhabitants. Anytime a contribution was needed to ease a hardship in times of crisis, they gave generously. Yet time and time again, an imam would discover the village and immediately start issuing fatwas to divide the people. In no time at all, what had once been neighbors and friends became muslims and dhimmis or worse.

Even if the impossible happened, and the muslims living in and around Israel gave up the right of return, recognized Israel, renounced terror and decide to go along to get along, history had proven that they cannot be trusted. How can one advocate that Israel take these people into their bosom, when these same people can become Rottweilers, turning and destroying what were yesterday friends and neighbors? Those that say that down deep, muslims are like everyone else, that they only want to live and raise their families in peace, are willfully ignorant of history and the teachings of the koran. The koran will not let them forget that they must conquer and punish all non-believers or be punished themselves.

Most 'regular' people, that is non-muslims, are willing to make sacrifices to live in peace and prosperity. Most are willing to put aside differences for the common good of all. The great exception to this is the muslim. They will not be assimilated into any country, will not take in the customs of any country, will not submit to the law of the land of any country. Rather they bring in their islamic laws, create ghettos, create havoc and mayhem wherever they go.

To ask Israel to take these people in and give them land without regarding the teachings of islam is sheer folly. The koran forbids peace for any reason or at any price. The only answer to the muslim problem is to remove them or convert them to another religion. Anything else is courting disaster with ticking time bombs.
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1The Palestinians who supported Jewish groups had their own reasons [229 words]Ken BesigMar 27, 2009 06:51152844
1I disagree with Daniel Pipes' conclusions [712 words]SarahSueMar 28, 2009 03:23152844
"SarahSue", I think you have a very good grip on the reality of Islam. [157 words]kmanApr 3, 2009 00:09152844
1Delusions [82 words]yuval Brandstetter MDMar 27, 2009 03:19152834
The bright side of Isam [14 words]Joe Six-PackMar 26, 2009 18:10152816
Joe Six-Pack: Anyone who enjoys a Satanic life, for them Islam is not a "bright side", they can't be turned back !! [125 words]Abu DaarMar 28, 2009 08:59152816
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Ibn MasudMar 26, 2009 17:45152813
An apologist untruth [96 words]yuval Brandstetter MDMar 28, 2009 12:37152813
1Peace, Ibn? [97 words]DonMar 29, 2009 16:58152813
yuval should read about Spanish Jews under Tariq bin Ziyaad [136 words]Abu DaarMar 31, 2009 00:49152813
1submission [203 words]yuval Brandstetter MDApr 1, 2009 16:58152813
Abu Daar, enjoy something of the Jewish happiness under Islam in al-Andalus yourself !!! [663 words]IanusApr 1, 2009 17:23152813
Thank you Mr. Daar for your rewritten & fantasy delusions of Islamic history sans truth. [114 words]kmanApr 1, 2009 20:43152813
yuval: Khilafat will return when Jesus will return [109 words]Abu DaarApr 2, 2009 16:42152813
I commend you for a reasoned response "Abu Daar", to bad you don't see the roots of Islam. [554 words]kmanApr 3, 2009 00:46152813
"Masud", you need to drastically expand your intake of history beyond just that taught by Arabis & Muslim schools. [288 words]kmanApr 3, 2009 18:51152813
2Abu Daar - Do you remember the genocide of Yathrib Jews done by your " pious predecessors"??? [292 words]JaladhiApr 4, 2009 18:24152813
1Our dear abu daar who is really no more than a victim of the imperialism of the Arabs [770 words]dhimmi no moreApr 5, 2009 08:00152813
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2To U Know Who: The concept of "Palestine" is completely contrived [100 words]Shawn CohenMar 28, 2009 13:14152807
Israel has been under Jews since god named Jacob Israel [25 words]btillyMar 28, 2009 15:26152807
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To "U" YOu know who.... [85 words]ShimenezMar 28, 2009 22:06152807
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1"The most vile, wicked, ruthless, low down animal to walk the planet." [138 words]IanusApr 1, 2009 18:10152807
Greetings, Ianus! Still claiming man as "progressed" morally, huh? [204 words]kmanApr 3, 2009 01:05152807
Still claiming man as "progressed" morally, huh? ... [729 words]IanusApr 4, 2009 10:37152807
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The Arabs who help make Israel. [105 words]IsaacMar 26, 2009 11:57152804
Terms of Arab acceptance of Israel [112 words]JerryMar 26, 2009 10:11152800
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Palestinians are only the tip of the sword [144 words]YossiMar 27, 2009 06:31152795
Something you failed to mention [217 words]Re: YossiMar 30, 2009 03:38152795
Excellent comment, Ploni! [140 words]IanusApr 1, 2009 17:48152795
Hearts vs. pride [84 words]Rebecca MouldsMar 26, 2009 07:06152788
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