facts please Mr havas

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Dec 21, 2010 at 03:27

mr havas writes:

"....and ı find it hard to believe that America is such a good hearted country that spends millions of dollars to help all world....."

then let me help you lose your ignorance: see http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm and notice that 7 of the major recipients are Muslim countries

and see http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-doners-of-foreigner-aid-map.html

notice not even one is a muslim country - not even the Gulf States nor Saudi.

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/May/20070524165115zjsredna0.2997553.html

now notice the dearth of muslim country donors. Now look at the US contribution - to a muslim country remember. And recall that Taliban refused to allow some aid to be handed out - precisely because it was from Americans. Now - what was it you said again?? Oh yes ...' ı find it hard to believe that America is such a good hearted country'.

Well, life's full of surprises isn't it? Be surprised.

".....you people must be proud of what you have done to ıraq for example. you brought democracy to ıraq. and more than one million people died after the democracy........"

You'd have to ask Iraqis (when they tale a break from blowing each other up) whether they were happier under a brutal dictator who thought he was a reincarnation of a Babylonian king - or whether they are happier having made an attempt at developing a system that has a passing resemblance to democracy

GIK writes ...." Let's pick 2 large scale disasters that affect muslim countries - the Indonesian tsunami and the recent Pakistani floods. Where was the massive Turkish aid for its muslim 'brothers'?

havas: '.....But it is normal for you to write things like this...'

You mean it's normal (and easy) for me to point out facts which you are unable to refute? So??

"...you also claim that 9 turks in mavi marmara boat sailing in international waters were killed because they(islamist fundementalist turkish terrorists) had guns on them. now ,do you seriously think this way or are you just trying to insult us.

Let's see what I actually wrote (rather than your distorted interpretation.:

GIK wrote "...... he's towing the Turkish line again on the deaths of the armed pacifists in welcoming party on the Turkish ship ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTmF3njCZf8) i.e. those killed in self defence by the Israeli boarding party - when the israelis realised they weren't going to be served tea and biscuits."

No, not even one word about the 'pacifists' having guns there. They did have guns and knives and as I pointed out - some were wishing to become 'martyrs' (ha!) for their stupid cause. But I said nothing of guns.

What is news to me is the report that the Marmara was also carrying night vision goggles, ballistic vests and gas masks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid

Back to your gripe - who is 'us' anyway - Turks - who seem to be trying to tell the world that the 'pacifists' were there , unarmed, to welcome the Israelis? Remember this 'flotilla of Peace' refused to take up the offer to go to a port in Egypt and announced it's intention to sail directly to the Israeli port. So tell us then - what were the knives and clubs for ? And now don't you insult yourself by telling anyone that they had anything other than malicious intent.

" are the turks in australia having problem being good citizens."

what has that got to do with anything? Most Turks here do not associate with arabs and do not cause trouble. Some do. But they cannot get away with what they can get away with in Turkey in any case.

'is this your hates reason."

Who associated the words 'Turks' and 'hate' - other than yourself? Do you have some sort of victim complex? Hate is a corrosive emotion. I don't live or deal in corrosive emotions .

"...dont catagorize humans. ..'

but aren't you trying to categorize me as a turk-hating non-muslim Australian??

"...it is true that there is a rising fundementalist islam in the world."

That's not such a big admission when you think about it - is it?

".......but most of us are normal people....'

a little hard to define 'normal' isn't it? For example - I'd call someone 'normal' if they allowed other people (in their own society) to believe and practice whatever religion or philosophy that they liked without any fear of persecution or intimidation. So , coming from a culture that has evolved to have more mosques than hospitals - your 'normal' is going to be a little different to mine.

Certainly - and as you'd have to agree if Europe was not there - Turkey would be far worse off than it currently is.

"....This is certainly so. and we appreciate them.we are out of eu and cant have economic helps. visas are very hard to get. but still we do most business with them and they are a big market for us and we need them economicly.but not politicly.........."

yes - this is what people fail to realise. Trade is trade - there is no necessity to pretend to merge cultures in order to be able to trade - as those in the multicultural industry have deluded themselves into believing.

'.....if you want to have a decent arguments here please dont write nonsense. '

Which nonsense have I written - an example please. Oh, you mean the bit where I imply that the story of the Burak is compete garbage? Or that Mo split the moon with his little finger? I wasn't arguing about these points.

'.....Turkey helps all disasters in the world great deal. especially to pakistan.this is not politics.when we have it all the world helps us also. Pakistani government gave a medal to Erdoğans wife for her efforts....'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/aug/09/pakistan-flood-aid

Yes - Turkey is there - but not exactly being generous giving only one fifth of one percent.Look at the US again. and this is a muslim country remember (already receiving massive aid from the US - before the floods)

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