so many questions go unanswered

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 14, 2012 at 00:06

Mr Abdullah, feeling attacked - valiantly shadow boxes his imaginary enemies:

"You are like a Merry -Go-Round, you just go into nothing and go nowhere ."

I can understand Mr Abdullah's behaviour in resorting to name calling - obviously this is in reference to my replies to Mr Abdullah's illogical statements and various value judgements. But the fact is that there have been repeated requests made to Mr Abdullah to answer ANY of several points made about Muslim behaviour and practices . None have been forthcoming to date.

But , ironically, Mr Abdullah may be correct - I might well be 'going into nothing' and going nowhere when trying to get a straight and logical answer from him.

".....As I said in the beginning read John 14:19,26 and all of your believe that you teach are lies. "

I and others went through the 'Comforter' issue in earlier posts. It was clearly pointed out that Mo was NEVER mentioned. What 'believe' do I teach? And why does Mr Abdullah perceive them, whatever they are , as lies? Simply because they don't coincide with Mr Abdullah's own very precious view of the world?

I think it was Mr Abdullah who first started quoting (to him - corrupt ) Christian scripture wasn't it? Mr Abdullah, you'll have to take your issues to the authors of that text I'm afrraid.

"All of these verses you say are in the Quran, please give me some chapters and verses that I may go and check them out because I have never read any of them."

Mr Abdullah - please refresh my memory - which verses did I say were in the Koran? I do not recall making such staements . When I was referring to the long list of barbaric islamic practices - I don't recall saying they were specifically stated in the Koran. - though they well may be based on interpretations by various erudite mullahs, imams, muftis , village elders , village idiots etc of what may have been written in the Koran. Otherwise how does one explain the fact that they are endemic to Islamic societies?

But let's see if I can help you out, though really Mr Abdullah , the onus is on you to know what your cult teaches you - not others. I mean - it really isn't THAT hard to gather the evidence.

Or is this feigning ignorance another example of Taqiyya? Either way, you do not put yourself in a very good light.

Limb amputations:

"[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,"

anti-semitic verses:

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's messenger sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's messenger said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's messenger who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King (Allah)." (The book of Jihad #3043, p 173)

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985; Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176/177 "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him," except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews."

The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that fails into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Mas'ud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, "You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?" Muhayyisa answered, "Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off." He said that this was the beginning of Huwayyisa's acceptance of Islam. The other replied, "By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?" He said, "Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so." He exclaimed, "By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvelous!" and he became a Muslim.

OK - these are from Hadith not the Koran - but let's not split hairs.

anti-Semitic and anti-Christian verses:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists,

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

False statements (a.k.a. lies) attributed to Christ:

[61.6] And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.

[61.14] O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as~ Isa son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.

anti non-jewish and non-Christian verses:

Qur'an 98:7:

"The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures."

Islamic supremacism and intolerance of other beliefs:

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Mr Abdullah continues:

"...So these are just more ignorance lies you preach as a fool of scripture to deceive the blind."

Which 'ignorance lies', which scriptures was I preaching again , Mr Abdullah ? Evidence please. All along it has been you yourself who brought up and quoted Christian scriptures - trying to appropriate them for your own use in your vain efforts to somehow 'prove' that what you believe is correct and every one else is deluded. This is simply another form of mental narcissism.

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