getting rather tedious

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Apr 18, 2012 at 22:41

Mr Abdullah, pretending that no one has noticed his complete inability to answer any of the questions previously asked of him, continues :

"My first comment was John 14:19 and 26 ..."

yes, and ....? I and others have pointed out the obvious - that it was referring to the spirit of truth (or as I recall 'friendly spook' as Mr Abdullah made reference to at one point). For those who could be bothered , see points addressed and unanswered questions asked of Mr Abdullah at www.danielpipes.org/comments/194841 and www.danielpipes.org/comments/194930

Mr Abdullah is firmly convinced in his contention that it was actually referring to Mo - the 11 wived, burak-riding , child marrying mass murderer born some seven centuries later in Arabia. You are entitled to your beliefs Mr Abdullah, just as schizophrenics in asylums are.

"and since then you have come up with the royal blood of Mary (no proof whatsoever), "

Mr Abdullah seems to have forgotten what was written

"BA: "...It says Jesus was out of the house of David (Bloodline). How could that be?"

GIK : "What is 'it'? The Bible? Meaning that 2000 years ago his mother's family was descended from a Jewish king? And that Jesus was a Jew? Is that a preposterous supposition for you somehow? The Koran says Mo flew on white peacock-tailed horse with wings a thousand miles in a few seconds. But of course - that IS true for you isn't it?

Mr Abdullah has been trying his damnedest to catch people out on a technical point . Obviously genealogy is extremely important to people deriving from primitive tribal societies so my suggestion to you Mr Andullah, was that you take any issues you have up with the authors of that scripture.

"...In fact I asked the queyou wouldn't even deal with the royal bloodline of Joesph (the real father of Jesus)"

The genealogy of Joseph's ancestry is an entirely new (and irrelevant) issue, Mr Abdullah, that I don't recall you bringing up before. Somehow it must be an important issue in your experience of day to day living , the appreciation of each moment of your fleeting existence and your grasp of what it means to be alive and conscious - but I am at a loss to explain your thinking.

"....And all of the other questions I have asked. .."

Actually , Mr Abdullah, you've asked very few questions - you've just made several fanciful statements and given your inflated opinion about subjects you know nothing at all about. as well as having hypocritically quoted corrupt (to you) Christian scripture - in a failed attempt to prove how corect your lofty islamic thinking is.

You have not yet taken up the offer to pen the Revised Muslim Version of the Bible. Why not Mr Abdullah? Aren't you convinced you have all the answers?

Mr Abdullah has not yet explained who he lets decide for him which bits of Christian scripture are corrupted.

And Mr Abdullah has not bothered to answer any questions which have been asked already - which need to be resolved before Islam can be seen as anything less than a dangerous fascist ideology , let alone being 'respected'. as a harmless cult Here they are again for you to answer, Mr. Abdullah:

Prison sentences and even beheadings for the 'crime' of apostasy from Islam.

Prison and death sentences for gays.

Limb amputations for property theft

Stoning for extra-marital affairs

Arranged marriages

Marriages to close relatives

Child marriages - and those last three cover arranged marriages to children who are also blood relatives

Female genital mutilation

Systemic abrogation of a commitment to women's rights and general equality.

Fostering anti-Semitic sentiments and a pathological hatred of Jews in general.

Human rights abuses against non-musilms (and non-mainstream muslims) in Muslim countries - and even in none muslim countries.

"...You know Christians when ask questions of their Holy Book and they have no answers .."

The whole point is Mr Abdullah , that when they consult their scriptures, they do find answers.

Maybe not as colourful as supersonic winged horses with peacocks tails - but answers nevertheless.

Now, turning attention to islamic scriptures - have you had time to look at the points made the other day - but which you have conveniently neglected to bring up:

I hate repeating myslef - but here they are again, pasted from a previous exchange:

Limb amputations:

"[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,"

anti-semitic verses:

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's messenger sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's messenger said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's messenger who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King (Allah)." (The book of Jihad #3043, p 173)

Sahih Muslim Book 041, Number 6985; Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176/177 "The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: "Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him," except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews."

The apostle said, "Kill any Jew that fails into your power." Thereupon Muhayyisa b. Mas'ud leapt upon Ibn Sunayna, a Jewish merchant with whom they had social and business relations, and killed him. Huwayyisa was not a Muslim at the time though he was the elder brother. When Muhayyisa killed him Huwayyisa began to beat him, saying, "You enemy of God, did you kill him when much of the fat on your belly comes from his wealth?" Muhayyisa answered, "Had the one who ordered me to kill him ordered me to kill you I would have cut your head off." He said that this was the beginning of Huwayyisa's acceptance of Islam. The other replied, "By God, if Muhammad had ordered you to kill me would you have killed me?" He said, "Yes, by God, had he ordered me to cut off your head I would have done so." He exclaimed, "By God, a religion which can bring you to this is marvelous!" and he became a Muslim.

OK - these are from Hadith not the Koran - but let's not split hairs.

anti-Semitic and anti-Christian verses:

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists,

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

False statements (a.k.a. lies) attributed to Christ:

[61.6] And when Isa son of Marium said: O children of Israel! surely I am the apostle of Allah to you, verifying that which is before me of the Taurat and giving the good news of an Apostle who will come after me, his name being Ahmad, but when he came to them with clear arguments they said: This is clear magic.

[61.14] O you who believe! be helpers (in the cause) of Allah, as~ Isa son of Marium said to (his) disciples: Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We are helpers (in the cause) of Allah. So a party of the children of Israel believed and another party disbelieved; then We aided those who believed against their enemy, and they became uppermost.

anti non-jewish and non-Christian verses:

Qur'an 98:7:

"The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures."

Islamic supremacism and intolerance of other beliefs:

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Qur'an (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."

Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay zakat."

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

These are just a few of the issues that you need your best taqiyya and double-speak skills to convince others of their more palatable meanings

"...they like to make wise insulting statements "

Wise and insulting? I'll take credit when and where it is due but not in this case - I've just pointed out the rather obvious deficiencies in your belief system - and quoted from your scriptures. All except the massively deluded can see the obvious.

"....about nothing like you with no facts of nothing."

Again, Mr Abdullah - a double negative ' no facts of nothing' actually means 'facts about something'

So Mr Abdullah - are you going to address all of these issues? Maybe even one?

Or are you going to take the advice of Jesus which you paraphrased from the (to you) corrupt Christian scriptures - " If you go to a person and they refuse the wisdom you give them, shake the dust off and leave" and butt out - thinking you have laid enough of your islamic wisdom (which so far has consisted of name calling and a minor genealogical in the Bible) - on these (to you) blind, ignorant infidels?

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