"China accounts for nearly all the world's reduction in poverty" vs. 'A country where "400 people have more wealth than 155 million people combined" '.

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Aug 3, 2012 at 12:03

Doug

> Ianus,

Unlike the dictatorial states that have always implemented communism, you are allowed your opinion. <

Am I ? I thought that under your system any "politically incorrect" opinion may be my undoing and that the corporate media are doing their best to save me from this danger. Imagine I have a different opinion on the sacred cow of the West called "race" than what I am being told by the chaindogs of political correctness to have on that subject ? Or do you know what happens to US Army officers who have tried to speak in public on Islam in a way their superiors don't want them to think ?

>Please don't try to do this in China, or you to will become a criminal under the "vanguard of the people".<

Interesting, what opinions would you like to spread in China? The happiness that were the opium wars that were decimating and destroying China for more than a century ? The US-made "democracy" that is nothing but a clever conceptual weapon to promote misrule, chaos, poverty and disitnegration of any country that is stupid or corrupt enough to be decoyed away into letting in this Trojan horse ? The so called "human rights" that don't include any right to work , free education and health care ? The right for economic hitmen to plunder , paralyse and inherit any land through debt serfdom ?

> Yes let's consider what would happen if the Chinese wanted to collect all of the debt from the US, and the US said NO!That would be interesting. <

Very "interesting", if you mean that America is a fraudster that will rather kill its creditor than honestly pay the bill that allows it now to act like the master of the universe. Well, it's always interesting to observe the hubris of a superpower with a credit card in its pocket paid by its opponent and next target.

Anyway, you can't seriously suggest that a broke like the US could say "Yes" to the proposal , can you ? There is no way you can pay back your debt honestly without sliding back to the living standards of Bolivia. A wider window of options opens up of course when you choose dishonest means like printing more paper money and forcing China to accept this green junk at its face value or organizing "a regime change" and break-up of China through Uyghur jihadism and other rebels as well as "democratic reforms" USSR-style that will inevitably end up in disaster as they did for the USSR.

>Another consideration is that 80% all of the business producing and conducting business in the fascist state of China are foreign. What would happen may I ask, if they left or were embargoed to leave.<

Where would these greedy, insatiable, opportunistic,calculating,ruthless profiteers outsource their businesses to maximize their profits then ? You can rely on them that they will not have the slightest patriotic, national or humanitarian considerations at all whenever their profits are involved ! They are ruining their countries to get rich. There is only one way to stop them - to pay them more for not doing what they are doing now. And shall pay them ? Bankrupt America ?

> NO! Communism is not like Capitalism, just because both systems are identified with forms of government does not equate them any similarity. Communism can only be maintained by force, because it goes against the will of the people, were Capitalism is an extension of the natural ambition of a person.<

That's nonsense! Capitalism is about accumulating wealth and maximizing profits cost what it may and eo ipso brings nothing but conflict, disconent, war, mass poverty, and instablity in its wake. If it is "an extention of the natural ambition of a person", then this person is the most disagreeable pathological human type I can image.

> The only thing Communism has been good at is at justifying their system failures by creating a world of lies, and stories. <

Frankly, I can imagine no greater discrepancy between what capitalism tells us it is and does and what it is and does in reality. Under communism we had in Eastern Europe some 4% poverty. With the triumph of capitalism we got 45% of poverty and corruption and crime of magnitude unheard-of in the annals of our otherwise corrput and unquiet countries. And what we hear in terms of remdy against it all more ? More capitalism ! More capitalism !

> Your direct quote about the Communist Party of China is a great example of that, because when placed against the reality of the system against the reality "of the oppression of the people" it is clear that the only thing they are defending is their own interest, at the expense of the overwhelming majority.<

Just for your information , between 1981 and 2005

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• China's poverty rate fell from 85% to 15.9%, or by over 600 million people
• China accounts for nearly all the world's reduction in poverty
• Excluding China, poverty fell only by around 10% "

Now your conclusion from it is of course that "it is clear that the only thing they are defending is their own interest, at the expense of the overwhelming majority." This is a fascinating discovery if you compare it to how "altruistically" poverty is being "fought" in the US. In the 70-ies a CEO made $25 for every $1 the average worker made. Some thirty years later the ratio increased to $500 to $1. "From 1980 to 2006 the richest 1% of America tripled their after-tax percentage of our nation's total income, while the bottom 90% have seen their share drop over 20%."Between 2002 and 2006, it was even worse: an astounding three-quarters of all the economy's growth was captured by the top 1%. "During the same time period, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans increased by $30 billion, bringing their total combined wealth to $1.57 trillion , which is more than the combined net worth of 50% of the US population. Just to make this point clear, 400 people have more wealth than 155 million people combined . "

Now go ahead and tell me that this is exactly what "democracy" is meant to bring about while the Chinese effort to bring about the opposite is anti-democratic and incompatible with your so called "human rights" ( they exist for the richest 1% , no doubt ) !

> I also find it amazing that you would bring up Mao Zedong considering he had more people murdered under his rule than any other despot, including Stalin. <

The Chinese say that opium and the break-up of the country murdered much more people than Mao did during the civil war and afterwards. But definitely China had and still has one more option beside communism it chose in 1949 - anarchy, war lordism and foreign invasions as before Mao's advent to power. It is this option that the US policy-makers are working on as a future for China by supporting Uyghurs terrorists , aren't they ?

Be as it may, no amount of victims has ever been a hindrance whatsoever in America's opportunistic policy to make alliances with and support those guilty of genocides and massacres. Take Turkey as an ideal example of what America really stands for. Wasn't it because of that that the US was so extremely eager to make an alliance with Mao and Chinese communists and when the hour was ripe for Nixon to travel to peking all the crocodile tears were wiped off and one talked only business.

> But, I do have to agree with you in Pinochet he is just was like all the other mass murderers of this century; Mao Zedong, Stalin, Hitler, etc...<

No, he wasn't. He was a US puppet terrorist more like bin Laden chosen to fight communism (and save Chile for US corporations' exploitation) at the same time as the US was having its honeymoon with communist China .

>By the way the order is provided by the number of deaths attributed to these bourgeois in descending order.<

You love ranting on victims, don't you? Yet , I have an uncomfortable feeling that these are mostly crocodile tears which you are shedding here. There is an agenda and no humanism that makes you speak your sentimental and misleading way. You never mention or admit victims that your dysfunctional capitalist system with its corporations have been producing across the globe. Why bother? Let's blame communism as we are told by some powerful invisible tongues.

And the difference between these two sorts of victims may be this. After a period of repressions against class enemies communists always go to hard productive work and achieve something the USSR was at its best days in the 60-ies and 70-ies - a country that sent the first man into space , with flourishing culture and sound demography ; while with the triumph of your capitalism you don't have anything but social regress, moral decay, demographic disaster , strangulation of thought with right wing political correctness (anti-communism dogma ) and finally massive hostile immigration meant to intimidate and crush all dissent and opposition. This is what is happening in the West. Don't you think that your "virtuous" sweetheart is not what you are trying to represent her here ?

> I'm actually laughing about your statement "Unlike the US it is not a set of interconnected transnational corporations that pay both parties to do the agenda defined by their paymaster"<

Feel free to laugh at anything you like. Laughter is no criteria of truth so that you can ridicule even the most obvious facts , e.g. that the US is basically ruled by the plutocratic oligarchy of some 140 corporations.

> You are right they are not, but instead it is maintained by a selected few oligarchs who ensure their bourgeois position by suppressing all those that choose not to lower their heads to them.<

The reality tells something different. It is your oligarchy of 1% that destroys all dissent and devours everything not those Chinese communist that have managed to do a wonder of reducing poverty by 69% in two decades and which you have attempted to call a selfish policy and thus implicitly call the opposite policy conducted by the US as unselfish and beneficial for all of us !

> I get the feeling you also don't know that Fascism is an idea from the left, because you would've never brought up Pinochet if you did.<

What I know by now is that you are no avid reader of books on elementary logic. Otherwise you would see the absurdity of your statement on China and by contrast you would also see the perfidy and evil the US plutocracy is bringing to this world, especially to America itself where it has already destroyed a large part of the American middle class and is gradually destroying the rest . Like any successful parasite it is eating up its own host and gets very angry at those who resist to become its host .

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