"they had turned to Capitalism. At which point they became a Fascist state"

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Aug 8, 2012 at 14:53

Doug wrote :

"I have to admit, you are a perfect Communist... you are long on words, but short on facts. Following the system of lies and stories that has been the vanguard of the ideology from the beginning."

I infer from the above that you a lover of short arguments. The shorter it is the "truer" it becomes in your opinion, doesn't it? And woe to him who disagrees with you and woe to me who again have a longer argument that your capitalist attention span is accustomed to.

"In your own response you have failed to quantify why things were done, and those numbers that you quote are just that; since, they are not placed against the background of history. I'm going to help you..."

FYI, "quantify" and "explain" are too different concepts. So "quantify" means

"to make explicit the quantity of (a proposition)". "Explain"

"to make clear the cause or reason of; account for". If you need explanations, then definitely quantifications must precede them.

"Yes you are right China has lowered the poverty level in the country significantly since 1981,"

A moment ago you claimed that I was "a true communist ... following the system of lies and stories that has been the vanguard of the ideology from the beginning." Now you say I am right. Do you want to say you also started being a "true communist ...following the system of lies and stories that has been the vanguard of the ideology from the beginning"?

>"AFTER Mae Zedong had died and they had turned to Capitalism. At which point they became a Fascist state. While they were following the "ideal" ideology of Communism, they were eating dirt."

Wait a minute, so you equate turning to capitalism with becoming a fascist state? Fascinating ! As to eating dirt, they were much better off under Mao than during the reign of warlords and foreign occupiers and opium barons when whole provinces were being depopulated by famine, drugs, epidemics and massacres. If you like history so much, then don't forget to include also other things than those you are told by the corporate media and corporate academia.

"So 140 companies run the US, that I didn't know,"

You still believe you are living in a "democracy", don't you, with social equality and unlimited opportunities for everyone with every American having a chance to one day become a Rockefeller, a Carnegie or a JP Morgan Chase CEO or at worst a well-to-do slave of them , don't you ?

> but it's still allot better than many of the other dictatorial communist system around,<

True, having "400 people who have more wealth than 155 million people combined" must be a very comforting and relaxing thought for every "democrat" and "human right activist" , needn't it ?

"where it's ran by a handful of bourgeois slave masters controlling via repression, oppression, and acts of terror against their populace."

And what would you call those 400 individuals that control the wealth of the nation? Candid , outspoken egalitarians? Contrary to your belief , repression, oppression and acts of terror are not directed against the populace , but the parasitic classes that want to exploit and enslave the populace with their financial tricks, economic exploitation, rigged elections and big mouth propaganda like the 400 tyrants and their 140 corporations that rule your country. Under communism they all would be sent to the guillotine and their wealth would be distributed among the middle class or those ruined by their depredations. And I can assure you America would be cheering and be grateful to anybody who would make this happen !

> China is no different, if not there wouldn't be a dissident movement, there would not have been a Tiananmen Square, or institute against those few voices who speak against them but "are known in the west" house arrest. Don't try to go see them, because the people will rise against you, while being brought in on state security trucks.<

As to Tiananmen Square "protests" crushing them saved China from the tragic fate that befell the USSR because its own traitors and CIA agents ("dissidents") and future oligarchs had not been exposed and crushed on time .

The political breakup,impotence, humiliation,expoitation and demographic and social disasters that followed the victory of the so called "democracy" in Russia meant in reality nothing more than the rule of Western-backed fraudsters and thieves that stole Russia's riches and transferred them to the West. You may deplore the fact that China was not fooled as easily as the Soviet Union was. Well, China's riches are also fabulous, aren't they ? You wouldn't mind expropriating them in the name of "democracy" and "human rights" and allocating them on your bank account , would you ?

> History has shown that those countries that try to achieve economic freedom first, and social equality second have done allot better.<

What "history" are you taking about? The countries that tried to achieve this fraudulent gaol you call ecnomic freedom which is nothing but economic serfdom from Western big business and monoplies perished like the USSR, others are dying rapidly out like all East European countries now under the iron hill of greedy US corporations and power elites. They have been all - with the notable exception of Belorussia - changed into US dependencies or banana republics where the most powerful man in the country is the US ambassador and US companies behave themselves like in a conquered territory . It is all your history does show!

"Than those who have tried social equality first. Just look at the collapse of the failed communist ideology in the late 80's early 90's. It was like looking at mass of people puke all the heinousness of the system."

What do you know about the communist system ? All who knew it recognized sooner or later all the capitalist fraud that was imposed upon them and regretted it. The wish to come back to communism is overwhelming and the wish to destroy the capitalist monster that like a malignant tumor grew on its ruin as ubiquitous. You can't make every second person a beggar and tell him how bad it was under the previous system where he had a decent income and a right to work, free education and health care which the bloodsucking vultures of capitalism have all stolen from him and expect he will nod at your obscene propaganda !

> If you knew any history you would know that the reason why Nixon got close to China, was because Russia and China were enemies (almost went to war, and still are). They realized that they could cause a divide of the two most powerful countries in the communist world. Doing so putting additional pressure on Russia, and hastening their collapse under Ronald Reagan... "It worked".<

Interesting. Why didn't they choose Russia as an ally to bring down China ? I see beacuse they had chosen Islam as an ideal ally to bring down both Russia and China. I just wonder what ally will they find to bring down Islam after the fall of China. Any guesses? Maybe aliens ? Or maybe Islam will bring down America at the end ? Frankenstein crushing the skull of his mad creator would be a pathetic end to mankind's history, wouldn't it ?

> There is a very simple rule that could be used to judge how good a country is, versus how bad it is. That is by looking at the number of people going in, versus leaving. <

This is no good criterion at all because it leaves open the fickle question of immigration laws and pressure groups (=greedy, calculating, nationally indifferent capistalists) that want cheap labor to pressurize its own native "too expensive" labor force. The best criterion is demography. You are a sick and dysfunctional society if you are dying out which applies to all the so called "Western" or capitalist societies, including the US.

>A vast majority want to get into the US, while a large majority want to leave China.<

Quantify please and open your borders to Chinese immigration ! Chinese coolies will be even cheaper than the Mexicans ! Great opportunities to make bit profits one more time!

> That speaks volumes of the effectiveness of the government, its human rights, economic viability, and hope for the future.<

It speaks volume of the wish of the US ruling class to get rid of its own crtically thinking native population to replace it with cheap servile alien immigrants and of nothing more.

"You still didn't answer my question as to why communism needs to use terror to maintain power, and also why the top two murderers in history are communist dictators"

President Andrew Jackson will do it better than a communist like me as remember that you need to use terror against all those who want to be the class of like those 400 Americans that possess more riches than 155 000 000 ordinary Americans or the class of which Andrew Jackson speaks. He said :

"Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!"

Incidentally, this is the only solution to the worldwide crisis this den of vipers and thieves have caused by their mad wish to become the rulers of the world at the expense of the public. Rout them out or they will rout you out ! Is it so hard to understand, you defender of this den of vipers and thieves ?

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