"Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!!" -2

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 28, 2008 at 10:38

"You are talking about how you were 40 km away from Ankara (which I guess corresponds to "we were nearly going to take Vienna" talk of our bonehead nationalists),"

Your nationalists are right. Without the relief army the fall of Vienna in September 1683 was inevitable. And even if the allied troops had arrived a week or two later, Vienna wouldn't have held that long. In the case of the Greeks it was the double-dealings of the other Entente powers, the massive Soviet aid and the insubordination of Prince Andrew, the sinister commander of the First Corps, that decided the outcome of the battle on the Sangarios.

It's far from the Turkish myth of Kemal's "genius". "Were there any Greeks there? What the hell were you doing there anyway?" Have you ever heard of the Sèvres peace treaty? "If it was the idea of the Entente why did you pull troops from the mainland to threaten the British and the French to invade Istanbul (or Constantinople , I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings) and piss them off?"

Chronology is something you should ponder upon, transcendental Turk! The idea to capture Constantinople was born in the stalement months of 1922 as the Greeks realized they needed a strong pledge in case Kemal would launch an offensive against Smyrna. The Constantinople was in the Allied hands though and the scheme proved impracticable for that reason. Otherwise Constantinople would have probably become again a prosperous Greek city just like Thessaloniki after liberation in 1912.

You had no fleet to cross the Bosporus and after massacring the Greeks in Smyrna before the eyes of all the world the argument was given to protect the 400 000 Greeks of Constantinople. The Greek Army in Eastern Thrace was strong and its morale high and Constantinople was near. Alas, the Kemlaist hoax did its job to cajole and outwit the British (the Chanak incident) and the Americans (the Chester concession scam). "Deny it as much as you want ("British abandoned us , Soviets supported you, the dog ate our cannons , blah blah blah")but it was your desire for conquest that led to what happened, not the Entente.

There were many, many times, when you could have backed off during 1918-22 but you didn't. All in the name of your precious megali idea." In fact, this was a war of liberation on the Greek side and a 100% jihad on Kemal's side. There is no reconciliation with jihadists who intend wholesale masscares and genocides and booty like in Smyrna and in Pontus.

The Kemalist jihad won because of the reason mentioned. "You are talking about our autocracies. Have you ever tried reading about what you did from the minute you set foot to Anatolia? What did you do to the Turkish villages while you were retreating? Try Toynbee's writings for starters." They are worth reading indeed but not the ones you hinted at but those two " The Armenian Atrocities: The Murder of a Nation, with a speech delivered by Lord Bryce in the House of Lords (Hodder & Stoughton 1915)"; "The Treatment of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, 1915-1916: Documents Presented to Viscount Grey of Fallodon by Viscount Bryce, with a Preface by Viscount Bryce (Hodder & Stoughton and His Majesty's Stationery Office, 1916)" ...

Anyway, his attempt to exonerate the Turks is ridiculous given the mass and objective evidence of the genocides perpetrated by the Kemalists. See e.g. this document from the Foreign Office (FO 283/833) http://www.greek-genocide.org/doc_bfo_cogop_1.html Anyway, the question you posed is false. The problem was that it was not the Greek atrocities but the lack of them that aggravated the situation for the Hellenes in Asia Minor. While the Kemalists were slaughtering en masse , burning alive and decapitating the whole Greek villages in Pontus and finishing off the Armenians in Cilicia and Cappadocia in the best jihadist spirit (check the above link), the Greeks who held under their control millions of Turks remained passive, not persecuting them, not taking hostages and thus allowing them to give support to the irregular Turkish troops that lived off murder and robberies of Greek or hestating Turkish communities. That was a grave mistake!!!

For every Greek massacred in Pontus ten Turks should be shot in Phrygia! It would have made the jihadists cool down in their Allh-inspired zeal! But this was not done! "Since we were so atrocious against you, how was Venizelos able to come to Turkey and sign a friendship treaty in 1930, just 8 years after we "commited genocide" against the Greeks?"

A nation where every fourth inhabitant was a refugee and victim of Turanian sadism and barbarity could not in earnest sign any friendship treaty. What Venizelos did reflected his opportunism and was done for external international consumption , not for those who had exprienced enough Turkish tortures like nailing horse-shoes to the captives feet or making poor raped women and girls eat their relatives cut to pieces by the Turkish savages. There can never be a friendship between the Turanian nation-killers and their victims.

"You talk about "Turkish fascism". Yet, Ataturk, apart from implementing his civil reforms, actually tried to open other political parties " Nonsense! He created a mock opposition but when its leaders misled by appearances started seriously criticizing his indolence and blunders and blaming him for the endemic economic crisis ( the Turks were peasants and soldiers while the merchants , artisans were the Greeks and Armenians. After the Young-Turkish and Kemalist genocides there were no Greek or Armenians and consequently no shoe-makers, tailors, bakers etc. etc. ) he grew furious, jailed them and staged a show trial in a Stalinist fashion. He established a one party system with his Republican party - a Turkish version of the NSDAP - that ruled the country long after his death of liver cirrhosis.

"and sought good relations with our neighbors (Greece , Iraq and until it was impossible, the Soviets)." The Soviets rescued him in 1922. He showed no gratitude though. How could he seek any good relations with Iraq from which he claimed the Mossul area or Greece after having slaughtered 1 000 000 Greeks? No double talking , please!

But perhaps you mean Turkishly "good" relations, don't you ? "You know just the sort of stuff other fascist leaders did !!." Other fascist leaders failed. He succeeded. "So supposedly, you are going to gang up on us with Russia (last time I checked Russians were doing a whole lot of business with us and were pretty happy, but let's ignore that for a second). Then what? Start a war? Take the land back? Will you be able to live with us?" No one is able to live with you.

None of your neighbours is your friend. You are being hated by everyone - the Arabs, the Iranians, the Kurds, the Armenians, the Greeks, the Bulgarians! Everyone who knows you detests you! The same in Germany as I know from my own experience! You're a real growing cancer in the region and any place you settle down!

"Drive us away? Cause, umhh.. you know, that would be against the geneva conventions and UN charter. And we would be still be the "barbarian Turks" after that? Do you even believe what you are writing?"

Who visiting the populous Hellenic villages and cities in Ionia and Pontus before 1914 could believe that in ten years they would all change into huge slaughterhouses and cemeteries and not a single Greek sentence would be heard any more there where the European civilization had commenced with Troy, Homer and the Ionian philosophers?

Wrong! It is the backbone of all the Kemalist regime and it WILL NOT be gone unless Kemal gets what he deserves - hatred and contempt of posterity for the crimes he committed and teh fascist regime he created ! "And lastly, doesn't it bother you to have so much hatred for a whole group of people?" Tell me you're not a Turk, you detest Islam and Kemalism and their heinous crimes and I'll like you. I know what Turkishness and Islam stand for!

"You never met me but can call me a "barbarian" without a second though." I did meet you - you as a type, a kind of micro-Turkishness - brutish, megalomaniac, arrogant, self-glorifying, deceiful, mendacious, distorting the past, oblivious of its crimes, blaming the victims instead ...I have met plenty of such Turks as you - in Germany, on the net ... nasty rabble with hedious collective super-ego that has devoured all their memory and common sense. They are all barbarians to me!

"I am curious to how you'd actually interact with a Turk in real life if you were to meet one? Start fighting? Turn back and walk away while wallowing in your hubris?" I know you expect me to appease you Islamo-Kemalist bararians. But I will not do that.

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