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"Secular Islam" and "grass-eating carnivores"

Reader comment on item: Is Turkey's Government Starting a Muslim Reformation?
in response to reader comment: turkey is a secular country for 85 years

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 21, 2008 at 14:00

Zisan Sumer wrote :

>As I read your article I have notice that you lack the knowledge that Turkey is a secular country.<

If anybody lacks anything, it's you who lack the basic statistics on your country. Turkey is a Moslem monoculture - 99,8% (!!!) Islamic! It's the achievement of its alleged "super-secularizer" Gazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha who methodically exterminated anything un-Turksih (=un-ISlamic) in his new paradise built on genocides , deceptions and denials .

>Separation of church and state is in place for 85 years.<

There has been no separation whatsoever. There is a total control of more than 77 000 mosques by the state ... just like in the old Ottoman days with diyanet playing the collective role of the sheikh-ul-Islam. Even Friday sermon are written by the Moslem Faith Directory - diyanet. Sepration means the other part is free and there is no freedom in Turkey. So don't mislead us or Turkey's alleged freedom!

>Here is the irony. Now there is talk of islamization of Turkey. Because certain think tanks believe that other islamic nations do not imitate Turkish way of secular regime is simply : Are you ready for t is? Because Turkey is not islamic enough. Therefore other islam countries see Turkey as betraying the islamic ideals for going secular.<

Turkey's is a sham secularism. All of them are Moslems while making us believe they're not because here and there they'll tell some Muslimas to take off the hijab and naive Westerners will spread the "big" news.

>In other words. You are either muslim or secular. This is the argument. Here is my view. It is done and achieved in Turkey so many decades. Why ruin this only bastion of secular islam in order to control other islamic countries.>

An interesting collocation "secular Islam", sounds like a "grass-eating carnivore", doesn't it? Semantics is not our generation can be particularly proud of. Yet if "secularism" has any meaning at all, it is the opposite to everything Islam stands for. So the argument you're futilely trying to invalidate does remain valid. You can't be 99,8% Islamic and boast of your alleged secularism.

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the truth [15 words]JayAug 5, 2014 16:25130322
Does John Lewis even now anything about Turkey at all? [224 words]sims01May 28, 2008 10:15130306
He knows what counts [126 words]Alain Jean-MairetMay 29, 2008 03:37130306
Assuming John Lewis is D-GA (5th Distt) [6 words]DevasahayamMay 29, 2008 12:27130306
Muslim Reformation, or Resident Evil IV? [18 words]DrRJPMay 26, 2008 14:21130055
Is Turkey's Government starting reformation or developing a marketing strategy to sell Sharia? [66 words]KristaMay 25, 2008 20:03129955
Muslim Reformation [330 words]K.H. AhmedMay 26, 2008 08:31129955
Sharia [23 words]KristaMay 27, 2008 07:50129955
Krista, pork banned [54 words]InfidelMay 27, 2008 22:40129955
Historical-damage-control [152 words]DevasahayamMay 28, 2008 10:57129955
You must have meant "JEWS and Muslims" [143 words]DevasahayamMay 28, 2008 16:14129955
Why is Pork banned in Turkey [78 words]KristaMay 28, 2008 16:19129955
Devasahayam, meaning of Acts 10:14 [173 words]InfidelMay 28, 2008 21:02129955
Banning of Pork [191 words]K.H. AhmedMay 29, 2008 11:28129955
"Double entendre" in that [65 words]DevasahayamMay 29, 2008 18:45129955
Devasahayam, Biblical edible food [66 words]InfidelMay 29, 2008 23:32129955
A source to keep up with Parochial News about Islamists around the world. [30 words]KristaMay 30, 2008 09:52129955
Where did you get this strange news? [19 words]OnerMay 30, 2008 15:03129955
Oops--you're right on the duck/goose [44 words]DevasahayamMay 30, 2008 19:32129955
Why are pork butchers being closed down in Istanbul? [20 words]KristaMay 30, 2008 20:53129955
pork is not kosher by Jews too [46 words]zisan sumerJun 14, 2008 09:10129955
Why has pork been sold in Turkey for years and now it's banned? [102 words]KristaJun 14, 2008 20:43129955
Ducks [13 words]LovedeeMay 29, 2013 08:14129955
Another Great Feat of Islam [98 words]Joe KaffirMay 25, 2008 03:37129897
Turkey is the bird Turkey!! [226 words]MansoorMay 24, 2008 03:49129782
Your word? [267 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:16129782
Mansoor thinks Turkey's a problem for Islam? That's funny - it's a problem for europe too! [951 words]The Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 25, 2008 07:53129782
Comparing the difference [147 words]Fred InglisMay 26, 2008 03:01129782
CONFUSED GRAND KAFIR!!! [836 words]mohammedJun 3, 2008 05:02129782
1...... Not confused at all , far from it. [1550 words]The Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 8, 2008 01:45129782
1Turkish Islam? [109 words]trans-parereMay 23, 2008 18:02129734
Did the Catholicism reform itself? [71 words]jennifer solisMay 23, 2008 17:50129730
NO NEED TO JOIN EU [37 words]SumbaMay 23, 2008 12:07129693
Sounds good!!! [312 words]MansoorMay 24, 2008 07:55129693
Actually.... [52 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:28129693
Do not look far...look at [some of] your neighbors! [375 words]Norma FaresMay 23, 2008 12:04129691
Reformed Islam [139 words]RahmanMay 27, 2008 08:57129691
Small Notes [898 words]BilalFeb 21, 2010 12:48129691
sufis and their tricks for example [160 words]G.VishvasMay 23, 2008 07:55129673
G.Vishwas [259 words]MansoorMay 24, 2008 04:03129673
Vishvas to vishvas the islam first. [105 words]Hameed MubarakMay 24, 2008 10:43129673
Muslims: Study Islam [493 words]ClaireMay 25, 2008 01:39129673
1Absolutely right! [123 words]IanusMay 25, 2008 05:53129673
Sweet lies about Islam [322 words]IanusMay 25, 2008 06:33129673
1Reply to hon. Mubarak Hameed (UAE) [592 words]G.VishvasMay 25, 2008 07:13129673
Thanks to Ianus [246 words]G.VishvasMay 26, 2008 05:57129673
Are religions reformable [381 words]J.KOwaqlik@comcast.netMay 26, 2008 22:38129673
One truth, ironically revealed [57 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 10:56129673
G. Vishvas, great comments [85 words]InfidelMay 27, 2008 14:06129673
what is wrong with islam [202 words]G.VishvasMay 29, 2008 03:58129673
A more elementary difference [305 words]DevasahayamMay 30, 2008 08:38129673
What is right with Islam [79 words]JaladhiJun 2, 2008 17:39129673
On the nail Jaladhi! [18 words]DevasahayamJun 11, 2008 07:47129673
1What is right in Islam? [54 words]IanusJun 13, 2008 18:08129673
Christian Churches [159 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiJun 15, 2008 12:40129673
Indonesian clerics call for the banning of Ahamdiyas [672 words]s.p. attriMay 22, 2008 21:31129616
How much do Qadianis contribute to Indonesia [79 words]DevasahayamMay 23, 2008 19:10129616
Sp, Islam means peace, but not like you think [96 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:33129616
Religious freedom [241 words]ClaireMay 25, 2008 04:17129616
MULLAHS GLORIFYING THE TERRORIST-IMPERIALISM OF ISLAM [250 words]s.p. attriMay 25, 2008 18:15129616
Jihad's evil fury [830 words]s.p. attriMay 26, 2008 00:16129616
Muslim concept of "peace" [45 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 12:26129616
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS? [419 words]s.p. attriMay 28, 2008 23:43129616
s.p. attri, can Muslims be good Americans [20 words]InfidelMay 30, 2008 01:19129616
2Prophet Of Terror [921 words]s.p. attriMay 30, 2008 02:04129616
Indian Cleric: Every Muslim Should Be a Terrorist [1636 words]s.p. attriMay 31, 2008 00:11129616
FOOLISH SURINDER PAUL ATTARI!! [770 words]mohammedJun 4, 2008 08:24129616
mohammed, history or lies [291 words]InfidelJun 6, 2008 21:56129616
Smuttiness of Pakistan [92 words]s.p. attriJun 7, 2008 04:21129616
Yes, it is a smutty country [38 words]DevasahayamJun 12, 2008 13:13129616
to attri [76 words]quraishiMar 17, 2009 07:58129616
All Prophets came to deliver true knowledge and peace, to remove hatred fights and worshipping worthless idols [77 words]Mohshin Uddin AnwarFeb 12, 2010 08:05129616
DEATH SENTENCE OF ISLAM ON EUROPE [632 words]s.p. attriMar 8, 2010 04:18129616
Six Million African Muslims Convert to Christianity Each Year [954 words]s.p. attriMar 10, 2010 02:19129616
Prophet of Peace [980 words]s.p. attriMar 14, 2010 04:22129616
Giving a vote of trust. [232 words]YnnatchkahMay 22, 2008 18:33129600
Spineless EU Supports Islamist AKP party [48 words]Anti-ShariaMay 22, 2008 17:05129585
Membership in the EU [46 words]InfidelMay 22, 2008 15:21129579
But why do they want to join that abomination? [25 words]DevasahayamMay 23, 2008 12:46129579
Devasahayam, trade [17 words]InfidelMay 23, 2008 20:54129579
doorway to Europe? [75 words]Larry B.May 24, 2008 19:17129579
Access without borders. [30 words]Larry B.May 24, 2008 19:21129579
Very useful [442 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:49129579
What about Switzerland? [28 words]DevasahayamMay 26, 2008 18:56129579
Eliminate Korean and Hadith? [80 words]SumbaMay 22, 2008 12:24129560
Did you mean "Quran" (Koran) rather than "Korean"? [44 words]DevasahayamMay 23, 2008 05:27129560
Disagree [25 words]Rebecca MouldsMay 23, 2008 12:38129560
Like minded bravo!!! [90 words]MansoorMay 24, 2008 08:04129560
LOL...you and your swords [101 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:21129560
Many Muslims do not [57 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:24129560
General Mansoor, WE ARE WITH TURKEY ! LIKE I SAID " CHANGE IS INEVITABLE" [257 words]Proud IndianMay 26, 2008 06:20129560
Islam will bulldoze all and conquer all. [65 words]sumbaJan 27, 2010 12:31129560
1Change Turkish Script [40 words]Iftikhar AhmadMay 22, 2008 12:15129558
Why not another script entirely [52 words]DevasahayamMay 23, 2008 10:58129558
1E.g. Turkic runes [86 words]IanusMay 23, 2008 18:13129558
I don't see any reason [18 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:26129558
Is Turkey's government starting a muslim Reformation? [156 words]Kim SegarMay 22, 2008 11:59129556
Reformation [28 words]steven LMay 22, 2008 11:31129555
Reformation.. [111 words]CarolMay 23, 2008 17:12129555
1Semantic traps - "Western reform" vs "Islamic reform" [328 words]IanusMay 24, 2008 06:42129555
1Modernizing Islam??? When will a Fatwah be issued on these Turks? [68 words]M.D'SouzaMay 22, 2008 10:33129548
Tense wrong [18 words]DevasahayamMay 23, 2008 14:32129548
The emperor's new clothes [134 words]Rebecca MouldsMay 22, 2008 10:07129543
3"Al-Bukhari and Muslims Sahi Hadith Collections" [245 words]Lactantius Jr.May 22, 2008 09:52129540
1I LIKE THE WAY OF EXPRESSING BY THIS NON MUSLIM. [57 words]Rana BABAR RazaJul 3, 2008 13:45129540
"Thank you Rana" [354 words]Lactantius JrJul 4, 2008 06:14129540
Islamic Faith [48 words]AbdullatifSep 6, 2008 07:29129540
"Faith" [439 words]Lactantius JrSep 8, 2008 17:11129540
4AKP (Nazi party) Is Working to Bring SHARIA Law to Turkey [218 words]No ShariaMay 22, 2008 09:19129537
10German and Italian fascism failed. Turkish fascism has been a success. [379 words]IanusMay 23, 2008 15:30129537
Sharia Law [51 words]Hameed MubarakMay 24, 2008 06:22129537
God is great, indeed! [234 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2008 01:59129537
2"The time is nearing to implement sharia in the US too". [308 words]IanusMay 25, 2008 07:05129537
deconstructing [558 words]sims01May 27, 2008 19:49129537
2Deconstucting Turkishness -1 [438 words]IanusMay 28, 2008 16:50129537
The barbarian sticks around. [755 words]sims01May 28, 2008 19:04129537
3Frunze vs Sims01 [2359 words]IanusMay 31, 2008 17:14129537
3On Ataturk's paradise and Pan-Turkism [695 words]IanusJun 1, 2008 10:16129537
2Fascism [58 words]ÜmitJun 6, 2012 13:06129537
This is ignorance, at it's finest [2 words]Turkish personDec 4, 2012 21:26129537
2"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" ... or vegetarian diet for the Moslem crocodile à la turque [1354 words]IanusMay 22, 2008 07:56129534
Turkey at the Center of History - Then and Now [285 words]M. ToveyMay 22, 2008 19:36129534
1The perfect is the enemy of the good. [691 words]IanusMay 23, 2008 17:42129534
Important About Hadith [155 words]Chia de SeutaMay 22, 2008 06:25129523
The so called hadith is bogus [261 words]dhimmi no moreMay 24, 2008 07:09129523
Yes! A reinterpretation of Hadith! I can't wait to see the new one on "infidels" & "non-believers" !!! [18 words]SuzanneMay 22, 2008 04:09129508
1"infidels" & "non-believers" [46 words]IanusMay 23, 2008 14:44129508
Keeping the Big Picture in Sight - Reforming the Hadiths [191 words]Richard B.May 22, 2008 00:07129484
Better Turkey Than Saudi Arabia [91 words]GWKMay 21, 2008 21:50129461
Historical reason [104 words]DevasahayamMay 22, 2008 21:27129461
Your Lawrence = turncoat" revelation is amazing! Details Please! [85 words]GWKMay 23, 2008 23:39129461
My source on LoA was Ilana Mercer [26 words]DevasahayamMay 24, 2008 22:05129461
Lawrence of Arabia a peripheral issue. Culture is prominent. [83 words]gwkMay 25, 2008 10:04129461
How about starting Muslim Reformation by abrogating the Jihad against Israel - one that contradicts commands of the Qur'an [145 words]Jewish-Islamic True PeaceMay 21, 2008 21:32129454
Reformation Shmeformation [165 words]Peter HerzMay 22, 2008 07:38129454
The Hadith Project in Turkey [621 words]Ibrahim Abu BakarMay 21, 2008 21:11129453
Ha ha, More Riddles [102 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 21, 2008 22:44129453
Backdoor to Whabbism in Turkey [59 words]Romesh ChanderMay 21, 2008 21:11129452
Are you sure? [15 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 12:28129452
1AKP REGIME IS ISLAMIZING A SECULAR COUNTRY NOT, REFORMING A RELIGION [532 words]Secular TurkMay 21, 2008 21:10129451
2ISLAMIZING AN ISLAMIC COUNTRY or the Grey Wolf without sheep's clothing [731 words]IanusMay 22, 2008 10:31129451
Disagree somewhat [155 words]DevasahayamMay 22, 2008 16:12129451
O' brother what can we do to get over it? [89 words]sims01May 24, 2008 21:20129451
1We can introduce shari'a in Turkey immediately and join openly the global jihad against the West and Israel. [265 words]IanusMay 25, 2008 05:11129451
Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!! [557 words]sims01May 26, 2008 14:47129451
A revision [28 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 09:39129451
When did Poland invade Anatolia? [32 words]DevasahayamMay 27, 2008 09:43129451
1"Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!!" -1 [383 words]IanusMay 27, 2008 18:19129451
1my bad ... [40 words]sims01May 27, 2008 20:06129451
4"Fascist barbarian Turk makes a comeback !!!" -2 [1483 words]IanusMay 28, 2008 10:38129451
1Invariable Turkish point - "Oh, how sweet Turkishness is!" [236 words]IanusMay 28, 2008 17:18129451
1Babarian Turk (c) demands more anwers. [644 words]sims01May 28, 2008 17:26129451
7Barbarian Turk here again! [1663 words]sims02May 29, 2008 03:31129451
1On fascist peace [1728 words]IanusMay 29, 2008 15:18129451
16Kemal's "genius" and Lenin's gold [629 words]IanusMay 30, 2008 15:44129451
1Reciprocity postulate for fools [97 words]IanusMay 31, 2008 17:36129451
A rather simple approach [109 words]DevasahayamJun 2, 2008 08:49129451
12Mustafa Kemal Pasha's jihad [1349 words]IanusJun 6, 2008 15:08129451
2Turkish "excellency" [568 words]IanusJun 14, 2008 13:05129451
just like our racist [45 words]hasanSep 23, 2008 16:21129451
2Ne mutlu türk barbarım diyene! [174 words]IanusSep 24, 2008 14:13129451
1Just learn then talk [144 words]no need to be Turk to reject thisDec 20, 2009 06:09129451
1Doctor, heal thyself! [687 words]IanusDec 22, 2009 05:29129451
1Few words from a Turk [147 words]a guyMar 5, 2010 20:07129451
3A "humanist" and 1 000 000 victims massacred by him [1180 words]IanusMar 6, 2010 13:19129451
1The Armenian Genocide and those that deny it and shame on them [35 words]dhimmi no moreMar 6, 2010 15:33129451
turkey [60 words]emrullahJun 10, 2010 03:05129451
2"Turkey is world king" [262 words]IanusJun 10, 2010 18:18129451
GAZİ MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK [19 words]Turkish atheistMar 6, 2018 03:47129451
Paging our dear Turkish Atheist! [67 words]dhimmi no moreMar 8, 2018 08:17129451
Right! [41 words]Doug CorriganMay 21, 2008 20:09129447
1Reforming Islam [125 words]Janusz KowalikMay 21, 2008 20:04129446
1Turkey should advance further along the lines indicated below [425 words]rasheed al-talibMay 26, 2008 02:39129446
Bang On Rasheed! Proud to know that you are from India [41 words]Proud IndianMay 27, 2008 02:03129446
1Reforming the unreformable [1492 words]The Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 27, 2008 07:23129446
Truly impressed with the calibre of readers & comments [78 words]Edmund Onward JamesJun 12, 2008 10:35129446

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