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our dear Bill's girl and breast feeding of the adult and Arabian imperialism and other sordid mattersReader comment on item: Mahram Despotism vs. Saudi Women Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 27, 2009 at 08:59 Our dear Bill's girl rabina yu3alimuha ina al-islam deen al-3arab faqat oh the transliterated Arabic? may be you can ask one of your Arab masters to translate it for you. And darling: who is Bill? >You have no understanding of what you are quoting. We shall see >The hadeeth that you quote from Aisha does not refer to breast feeding a 'man', but to having breastfed a man when he was an infant. According to this hadeeth, if a woman breastfeeds an infant (of suckling age) five times she would be considered his 'milk (or foster) mother', and he would qualify as a 'mahram' to her. Really? then quote hadith hadith rida3at al-kabeer in Arabic and here is your chance to shine For the readers: Our dear Bills' girl is unaware that the hadith is called: rida3at al-kabeer or the breat feeding of the adult and it is a hadith sahih or authentic hadith and it is not called rida3at al-sagheer or the breast feeding of the small (read this as the infant or child) Darling: how come you did not know that there is a hadith called rida3at al-kabeer drling? could it be because you are and you must pardon me ignorant? or could it be that you hoped that we infidles do not know but in this case it would be a lie so which one is it darling? >What is a mahram?...Any man with whom a woman has a relationship (of blood or fosterage) that precludes marriage, is considered a Mahram to her. Oh moharam! sobhanallah. So would you breast feed an adult daling so he can be mohram to you? a yes or no answer would do! and you will have men waiting for your answer darling >Women who a man is mahram to, include his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, aunt, grandaunt, niece, grandniece, his father's wife, his wife's daughter, his mother-in-law, his foster mother (the one who nursed him), foster sisters, and any foster relatives that are similar to the above mentioned blood relatives as the Prophet (SAW) said, "What is forbidden by reason of kindship is forbidden by reason of suckling." (Al-Bukhari) Islamic gobbeldygook >You say: "islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only as per Q14:4" Oh the : wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmihi? right? >This simply states that the Messengers of God are sent speaking the language of their people so that the people may understand... Right. So let me see: your Arabian Allah is saying that: 1. The Hijazi Arabs' native tongue is Arabic right darling? 2. Muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider was a Hijazi Arab and his language was Arabic right darling? 3. Therefore Allah the Arabian deity sent Muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molester as a rasul to his people the Hijazi Arabs beucase he spoke their language and was one of them 4. Therefore I must conclude but Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only and islam is no more than Arabian imperialism 5. So who was the rasul that was sent to your Hindu ancestors darling? as I'm sure you agree with me Muhammad did not speak sanskrit right? is it Rama or is it gansesh? >uh, doesn't support any argument that you presume to be making here. Oh you want more evidence from the book of ignorance that islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only? I'm gald you asked then check the following Q10:47, Q13:8, Q35:24, Q28:75 Sorry darling but Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only >In fact, the Quran states: And this (submission to Allâh, Islâm) was enjoined by Ibrâhim (Abraham) upon his sons and by Ya'qûb (Jacob), (saying), "O my sons! Allâh has chosen for you the (true) religion, then die not except in the Faith of Islâm (as Muslims - Islâmic Monotheism)." Really? and why do you provide me with a translation ms ignorant? where is the original Arabic? oh let me guess you are another tablighee and wannabe arab right? so where would i find any aya in the Qur'an that says ina al-Islam deen kul al-bashar? You will not find it >(Al-Baqarah 2:132) ROTFL Paki Arabic it is surat al-baqara Why do you have a letter H at the end of baqara? Do you see a letter hah as in hassan at the end or a letter heh as in Hani at the end? and did you ever hear of something called teh marbouta? >So then, it is in fact not only of the hijazi Arabs. Ok so where would i find in the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic dalring that ina al-islam laysa deen al-3arab faqat You will not find it but you will find wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmihi Oh the transliterated Arabic? I do nto translate Arabic for wannabe arabs like you On the contrary it is for all mankind. In fact, you mention Patricia Crone in support of part of your argument. Well, Ms. Crone argued that Islam did not arise out of Mecca or the hijaz, but near the Mediterranean milieu (Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam). Bogus she does not say that. And did you read Meccan Trade? Let me guess: you did not What a fake >As for Ignaz Goldziher, You cannot be an Arab because Arabs have no clue and care less about what Ignaz Godlziher said or wrote >he states " I truly entered into the spirit of Islam to such an extent that ultimately I became inwardly convinced that I myself was a Muslim, and judiciously discovered that this was the only religion which, even in its doctrinal and official formulation, can satisfy philosophic minds. My ideal was to elevate Judaism to a similar rational level." And what does that porve? nothing not a thing Are you also aware that he wrote that the hadith all of it is bogus? >This is the problem with many who try to explain Islam, you have no understanding. It is not simply about reading a verse from the Quran or a hadeeth from a collection... one has to understand the full meaning... which is most often provided by other hadeeth, or further commentary by scholars. Some understanding just takes common sense, What is to understand about rida3at al-kabeer or that Islam is really the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only or that you are no more than another wannabe arab and a tablighee or that you do not know any Arabic so which one is it darling? > however, when one is filled with hate... The one that is full of hate is the author of the Qur'an >it is often difficult to see things clearly & easy to twist things to suit once rantings. I urge you to abandon islam that brutalized your Hindu ancestors and be free again Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. 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