More? Understanding The Holy Bible is More Than Debating It; It is Believing It Against Human Logic

Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Jun 21, 2010 at 12:05

We have far afield from the original context of these particular posts, and again we have reached little common ground; you not willing to concede that the evidence on the ground supports the facts of the existence of Israel being returned to her own place according to the promise to Abraham, and for myself, content that since Israel IS in fact in her own place as Almighty God has promised, it is apparent my evidence is more compelling to me that any contravening ideology that tries in vain to argue it away. The word has been written and the facts are in evidence that the Holy Bible has been unalterable from the moment the WORD was spoken and eventually penned. Try as one might, there is no argument strong enough or eloquent of its own persuasion that has any eternal effect on what the LORD Almighty God has purposed, promised and fulfilled to bring us to this moment in time, neither from the past or the future, to which I rest my conviction and surrender my destiny in the Name of Jesus Christ the LORD.

Now you have, as many do, resorted to trying to identify true believers in the unalterable WORD of the LORD with the dictums and dogmas of the various Christianesque non-Biblical persuasions which in their own vanities have allowed the intrusion of human arguments to argue points of logic in matters that are transcendent to the temporal aspects of this life, and in doing so, miss the more important aspect of why humanity is failing to understand what this life is all about. In the apparent attempt to nullify the importance of the Holy Bible in the things we see in the world today, the arguments contradicting the facts on the ground lead to endless debates of the reality that should be plain to see, but is disregarded because non-Biblical mindset cannot comprehend the Biblical reality.

I have not argued, but presented the facts that Israel, the descendent son of Isaac, was returned to the land in spite of every attempt to keep them away, by political and physical efforts, from the time of the Roman expulsion, through the inquisitions, through the holocaust and from the distant relations of the sons of Kedar, who have thought they could usurp Israel's promise with their own, but have found out the hard way, they cannot alter the purpose and intent of Almighty God. Hey: I did not write the Holy Bible to fit my vision of the world, neither did any other mortal human.

Also, it is not an argument that Almighty God discriminates, but it is a fact. Were it not so, then Israel would not be in the position they find themselves in. Abraham was pulled from the human stream of what is now Iraq, designated by Almighty God to be a man of faith in Him, and in response to that faith, the promises were given. Only in Abraham's human weakness did he make his mistake and tried to alter the promise by having Ishmael with the Egyptian hand maiden in contradiction to what was promised. Humanity is still trying to handle the results to that today. Ishmael's birth was Abraham's responsibility in violation of the promise; therefore humanity suffers for the consequence of that failure. So while it is Abraham's responsibility that Ishmael was introduced into the stream of humanity, does that mean he is to dishonor the WORD of the LORD and the promises made to especially to him?

You have touched on a premise of Biblical principle that seems to be difficult for many to apprehend, that of responsibility and accountability, framed in the circumstance of the concept of the human dilemma, that having free will means making a choice that has specific consequences. We are free to choose with knowledge that right choices have right consequences, and bad choices result in consequences of a different sort. Abraham knew that he had the promise of a son from the very God of his faith, yet in weakness, made a bad choice. Had he chosen to wait for the timing of Almighty God in answering the prayer for Isaac, this exchange between you and I would not only be non-academic, but not even required.

Now you insist that somebody (you keep saying Christian evangelicals, but they have the least reason to do so, for it is their best support for believing) has altered the WORD of the LORD; but think about that proposition. If I needed something to support me in my conviction that I need my Savior to free me from my sin, why would I try and dismantle the only way that has saved me and given me hope for my future. Is that not antithetical, even in human terms? Even the most devout Christians have no need, but even more important, have no ability to alter the true WORD of the LORD, for what power does a human have against Almighty God? I mean seriously, we cannot control the weather; how then does mere mortal humanity even dare to think they can make Almighty God do what they want? My LORD and Savior is more powerful than that; I have His WORD on it.

Almighty God discriminates regarding good versus evil. His WORD is good; the words of mere mortals and the powers in the realm of darkness that darken men's thinking are evil. Are we really going to say that Almighty God cannot bring His WORD to pass, that somehow there is some latent ability in fallen humanity to keep Almighty God from performing just exactly what He has intended? The Holy Bible has said that Israel is the promised people, that they are to be returned to their land, and is it not so?

Jesus Christ said that He came to earth to redeem sinful humanity to the Father, that He would take the sins of believers and pay the penalty of death to provide that redemption. I have that in my faith in Jesus Christ, and with the same promise fulfilled out of His love, I can see His promise to Abraham fulfilled in Isaac, not Ishmael.

Now you have tried to make the same unrelated argument, as so many others do, that somehow the actions of those in America who professed Christianity, but were not practitioners of the love of Christ, were performed under the same influences that we see in the Middle East. Though the evil behind the lack of faith is the same in all humans, here and there are worlds apart, for the futility of that argument fails to one simple reason, that were those who caused those afflictions true to Jesus Christ, in obedience the Gospel would have been the tool to honor Jesus Christ, and not the crosses on the graves who died for His Name. Your allegory fails.

But I regress and come back to one of your earlier allegations, of Islamophobia and somehow there is your perception that true Christian evangelicals are to be taken to task for the rhetoric of hatred coming from the Imam and mullahs, even here in America. True Christianity preaches, mostly unheard from the unbelieving, of the love of Jesus Christ, of His willingness to die for your sins and mine, of His burial, resurrection and ascension for justification of our belief in Him. Why do Imams and mullahs NOT preach the same messages of redemption and salvation out of the love of Almighty God; that instead there are the calls for Israel to be breached, from the land, from the sea, from the air, and Christians are to be subjected to the same for supporting Israel? The question is rhetorical, for we can read of the differences from the differing texts. In the context that the Holy Bible governs men and women of true faith and racists do not honor the WORD of the LORD, your allegation is groundless.

And therein lies the discernment, that as much as one tries to say the Quran is a better inference of how this world should be governed by Almighty God, a Christian has a much better chance in salvation in Jesus Christ than anyone else that does not have that faith. I have pointed to Israel as an outward and practical evidence for why I believe the way I do, but truly, it is the Holy Spirit who governs my life that is my best witness of the Truth in His WORD, and the world is merely responding to His laws of governance, and not the words of mere mortals and insufficient powers, and thereby is paying the consequences.

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