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Good Reasons For Supporting Israel

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), May 31, 2011 at 19:25

It would be quite difficult to understand the Copt position as expressed by the previous reader unless one were given a moccasin walk understanding of what it means to be a Copt in Egypt. The images and reports of the treatment of Copts in Egypt by both those who are still in the land and by ex-patriot Copts this reader knows in the United States provides for compelling observations of what is really happening. However, when viewed over here in a more global context, it appears the Copts find themselves in a situation none outside can understand, but being inside colors the external view (from inside out) as well.

For some over here, the Muslim uprising does not present enough evidence that democracy is the ultimate result; that what is really seen is a discontent of circumstances not expected to be solved by democracy, but a cry for democracy is used as a tool to exact concessions to lead to a different result. If, as supposed by a number of observers for example that the Muslim Brotherhood or some faction of it accedes to prominent positions of power, then democracy as it is practiced in the United States and similar venues will be of little to no effect.

The United States, sometimes in spite of its political clumsiness of not being able to get out of the way of true political progress, offers support for democracy in a variety of ways. Sometimes it is not accomplished in a practical way, for a variety of reasons we'll not explore here. But let us suppose that the true intent of the unrest in Syria was to obtain democratic liberties for the indigent population. Should the United States intervene as it has done in Libya? Why, for example, was Libya targeted by the American military on behalf of the NATO forces; were the issues there more compelling than Tunis? How about in other places that are full of as much, if not more unrest against the regimes that oppress their civilian ranks, like in Morocco, Yemen? Do we think the American military will be able to solve all those situations? Not likely, and not very likely would the American's be asked by the ruling entities to 'occupy' those places any more than when say, Iraq, was first entered. And you can bet 25,000,000.00 American dollars that the Taliban were not interested in American democracy when the United States entered there as well.

Let it be made plain, blunt actually, that in the reigning mentality of the Middle East, save for Israel, democracy American style is not the course many will seek. It is a process of freedom and the seeking of liberty to be free from regime style control that appears too difficult for many in the Middle East to comprehend. It must be faced: Islam does not work well in the American frame of mind.

But more to the interest of the reasoning of your comments: that of demonstrating that particular and peculiar emblem of the Christian faith, of the commandment by our LORD to love, each other as well as those who present themselves in antipathy. To the extent that is expressed in spite of the rancor and outright hatred directed to the Copts, it is a compelling witness that love can still be expressed towards those that would do harm in the name of 'allah.

Now, there are specific reasons for demonstrating a greater sense of support to Israel, even greater than idealizing the democracy found in Israel. Remembering that Israel is eventually going to be restored to a Kingdom, it is in the Biblical promises that those who would give greater allegiance to Israel are resting upon. In that, as long as there is a greater Biblical support being given to Israel by the faithful Christian community, there is still time to accomplish the Great Commission of the Savior Yeshua HaMashiach. The ability to continue to do that is coming closer to a close as time goes by. Then, when the time is up, Israel will be in a better position to recognize her need for HaMashiach, and the witness of the former Christian influence will be found only in the Hebrew Holy Bible. Israel will never get that support from the Muslim community, notwithstanding whether or not they are democratic.

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My second comment [343 words]MichaelMay 31, 2011 12:46185741
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America and Democracy are about freedom of choice. [252 words]DeborahJun 5, 2011 13:12185741
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A different angle. [73 words]Clarence De BarrowsMay 25, 2011 17:59185583
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3Underlying Problem [100 words]Zvi November (Jerusalem)May 25, 2011 13:00185570
1agreed [90 words]saraMay 25, 2011 18:44185570
to Zvi November [78 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiMay 30, 2011 00:20185570
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
Abu NudnikMay 25, 2011 11:02185565
1Difference in lines [21 words]saraMay 25, 2011 18:37185565
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1Thanks Dr. Pipes, I thought so [39 words]Abu NudnikMay 31, 2011 13:22185565
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not quite convinced [84 words]concernedMay 24, 2011 06:47185520

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