"The limits of my ideology are the limits of my world"

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 10, 2012 at 18:51

the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan commented on :

>neo-liberal regime change imposed in 1991 .."

Not quite with you . Who imposed regime change on the Soviet Union in 1991?

Those who profited most from the demise, partition and looting of the USSR.You have no clue where the trillions of dollars from Russia have migrated since 1991?

> As I recall - Gorbachev had quite a bit to do with it. And extra incentives Poland's Solidarity movement as well as the so-called 'Singing Revolution' of the Baltic States<

Gorbachov was a dupe who at one point lost contact with reality and indulged more in vain fame than in Realpolitik. His "new thinking" turned out to be the old "wishful thinking" and his perestoyka proved to be what the Russians called "katastroyka" "disastrostroyka".

As to the Polish "Solidarity" you shouldn't even mention to a Pole like me this nasty gang of corrupt liars,opportunists and thieves. When they came to power they betrayed everything they had stood and allegedly fought for =except offices and money! They actually disbanded Trade Unions, ruined and sold the Shipyard in Danzig where all their CIA-sponsored movement had started. Yes, CIA-sponsored! It's an open secret now who stood behind "Solidarity" and illusions and doubts which were maybe justified 30 years ago today look really grotesque ! Carl Bernstein writes :

"The American embassy in Warsaw became the pivotal CIA station in the communist world and, by all accounts, the most effective... The Solidarity office in Brussels became an international clearinghouse: for representatives of the Vatican, for CIA operatives, for the AFL-CIO, for representatives of the Socialist International, for the congressionally funded National Endowment for Democracy, which also worked closely with Casey. It was the place where Solidarity told its backers -- some of whose real identities were unknown to Solidarity itself -- what it needed, where goods and supplies and organizers could be most useful. Priests, couriers, labor organizers and intelligence operatives moved in and out of Poland with requests for aid and with detailed information on the situation inside the government and the underground. Food and clothing and money to pay fines of Solidarity leaders who were brought before Polish courts poured into the country....As Republican Congressman Henry Hyde, a member of the House Intelligence Committee from 1985 to 1990, who was apprised of some of the Administration's covert actions, observes, "In Poland we did all of the things that are done in countries where you want to destabilize a communist government and strengthen resistance to that. We provided the supplies and technical assistance in terms of clandestine newspapers, broadcasting, propaganda, money, organizational help and advice. And working outward from Poland, the same kind of resistance was organized in the other communist countries of Europe."

"Don't take it as an anecdote but Jews in WWII in places like Warsaw, Sobibor, Vilnius and many a place in Estonia which your Estonian friends' fathers and grandfathers elected for their extermination died with the word "Long live Stalin!" in their mouth."

As I'm sure you know some Estonians fought with the Wehrmacht - and others with the Red Army - most of them they would have preferred neither to be occupying their country.<

And all they needed and dreamt of was occupation and control by the US/EU,wasn't it ?

"but Jews in WWII ....died with the word "Long live Stalin!" in their mouth....Suggesting now that what they meant was "Long live 'that even bigger pig of a man - Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili' "

>As you are aware - I made no specific mention about Jews in WW2 making any statements about Stalin or Hitler for that matter. You've brought this claim up.

What I did say was that Stalin was a pig of a man - I'm not the first person to say that.<

I didn't guess you were just quoting somebody else.

> His immediate successor, Nikita Kruschev , thought worse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Cult_of_Personality_and_Its_Consequences <

And Khrushchov was infallible, wasn't he? He unleashed the most rabid and stupid campaign against the church. Look at Khrushchov's own record : 1959 - 348 Orthodox parishes and 18 monasteries shut down ;1960 - 1437 churches and 11 monasteries shut down and partly destroyed; 1962, 1423 more churches closed as well as more monasteries and seminaries; 1963 1700 Orthodox parishes shut down! I won't amplify on his mad campaigns to ban private livestock holdings and even private gardens! And you consider him to be moderate and would never call him "a man of a pig", would you? After all he criticized Stalin, so he himself becomes sort of Caesar's self-proclaimed wife and is eo ipse above all criticisim, isn't he?

"sounds a little disconcerting even though quite in keeping with a certain ideology you seem to be a lover of."

Which is?

Neoliberalism.

>I can see faults in any system so pigeonholing my political viewpoint is even hard for me.<

Well paraphrasing a certain philosopher I'd say : "The limits of my ideology are the limits of my world".

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