The so called "West" - another outpost of Islam

Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Jun 28, 2012 at 07:52

sara wrote :

>Ianus, You say: "Sure. I have no problem with American people. The problem is with the American ruling elite and its nasty agenda as most Americans will also tell you. So you don't have to be more American than Americans themselves, I guess."

Does that not sound frighteningly familiar to you, Ianus? The Iranians, the Arabs, Muslims, etc all say the same thing. They do not hate Americans, just the evil satanic government. But isn't that a copout?<

The difference between me and them is that I mean what I say and I can't ever hope to get a US visa to acquire any material advantages from what I say while the Moslems lie to you.They hate all you stand for saying the opposite in the spirit of their taqiya. What they are after is your wealth and to grab it by all means are allowed. Paradoxically enough, they are treated preferably by your government which they say they hate. If I were an Uyghur terrorist and jihadist I'd get no doubt a US visa and a helping hand of the CIA immediately. And you see no method in this madness?

> After all, they are saying that about every government/administration (including democrats and republicans, Bush and now Obama) and after all, these politicians are democratically elected by the people of the US themselves.<

I doubt the US system has anything to do with democracy. It is oligarchy pure and simple.You find some reasons for that in the quote below. What you call "democratically elected" ones are just puppets and figureheads of big corporations and finance capital who get "elected" by tricks of PR industry and mass media. As someone aptly put it , Democrats and Republicans are two factions of the same party -the big business party that pays the enormous costs of their election campaigns. Is it "democracy" or just a caricature of it?

>So it does not play with me to use that excuse.<

I can't do anything about it, especially as it is no excuse at all.

> That same 'ruling elite' exists in every country every group in the world. There are always those on top and those on the bottom.<

The problem is with those in between, the middle class. When you have too few having too much, then there is too little left for those below to survive.

>The difference in the US is that each and every citizen has a decent chance, if they choose, to be one or the other. At least they believe that they can, and that is a good way to live.<

As my reply I will quote a passage from an extremely interesting article : "Who rules America. Wealth, income and power" by G. William Domhoff

"A remarkable study (Norton & Ariely, 2010) reveals that Americans have no idea that the wealth distribution (defined for them in terms of "net worth") is as concentrated as it is. When shown three pie charts representing possible wealth distributions, 90% or more of the 5,522 respondents -- whatever their gender, age, income level, or party affiliation -- thought that the American wealth distribution most resembled one in which the top 20% has about 60% of the wealth. In fact, of course, the top 20% control about 85% of the wealth (refer back to Table 1 and Figure 1 in this document for a more detailed breakdown of the numbers).

Even more striking, they did not come close on the amount of wealth held by the bottom 40% of the population. It's a number I haven't even mentioned so far, and it's shocking: the lowest two quintiles hold just 0.3% of the wealth in the United States. Most people in the survey guessed the figure to be between 8% and 10%, and two dozen academic economists got it wrong too, by guessing about 2% -- seven times too high. Those surveyed did have it about right for what the 20% in the middle have; it's at the top and the bottom that they don't have any idea of what's going on.mericans from all walks of life were also united in their vision of what the "ideal" wealth distribution would be, which may come as an even bigger surprise than their shared misinformation on the actual wealth distribution. They said that the ideal wealth distribution would be one in which the top 20% owned between 30 and 40 percent of the privately held wealth, which is a far cry from the 85 percent that the top 20% actually own. They also said that the bottom 40% -- that's 120 million Americans -- should have between 25% and 30%, not the mere 8% to 10% they thought this group had, and far above the 0.3% they actually had. In fact, there's no country in the world that has a wealth distribution close to what Americans think is ideal when it comes to fairness. So maybe Americans are much more egalitarian than most of them realize about each other, at least in principle and before the rat race begins."

You say: What is "Western" nowadays? Demographic decline,degradation of school system, breakdown of family life, corruption scandals, addictions, hostile immigration, hedonism, ignorance of one's identity and past ? If this is being "Western" , then yes, we are Western and I do hate it !

> I thought I was cynical (or realistic) but this is way farther than I. Again, I hate to tell you who it reminds me of- the complaining about the promiscuity and decadence and decline of the West...) You cannot just critique and dissect the US to death, Ianus, ultimately you have to choose a side of mostly good or even somewhat good or even rarely good vs. mostly bad.<

I can hardly consider a country that consistently supports and arms Turkey, doesn't recognize the Armenian genocide, has assisted in destroying ancient Christian civilizations on Northern Cyprus and in Kosovo to have anything to do with good, let alone side with it !

> In the ongoing battle between East and West, I somehow doubt you would align yourself with the Muslims or with China.<

If there is any ongoing Maneachean battle between good and evil, the US has already picked its side. It stands with and for Islam. Just look how many turbans there are there looming behind your "democratically elected" figureheads in the White House. Do you call it "West"? I call it an outpost of Islam. As someone said , the Islamic tail is wagging the American dog.

Wish as I would, I can't feel but disgust and abhorrence at the very word "Islam" and I do consider the most despicable traitors and bastards those who support Islam against us kafirs. In all its history the US has done nothing to fight and push back Islam and more than anyone in this world to widen dar al-Islam at the expense of kafirs. So if you think that by supporting your government you don't align yourself with Moslems, then I have to draw your attention to a fallacy you have fallen victim to.In fact nobody support Moslems more than your government.

>So, given the realities and the future, the past outlives its usefulness and it is more important to focus on solving future problems than analyzing past ones. (And don't tell me that if we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat it).<

I am afraid there is something wrong with your analysis.The destruction of Christianity in parts of the Balkans or Cyprus is not a historical problem at all. The ruins of churches and monasteries are quite fresh. Moslems are there while there are almost no Christians there any longer. We know who is to blame for it, don't we? And you suggest we forget it?

As long as nothing changes in the US in this respect the US remains as great a threat to kafirs as Islam itself which the weakening US uses to remain in its privileged superpower position in a world that rapidly changes to its disadvantage.

>Are bitterness and vengeance the only fuels that drives you?

How many times can you be fooled and hoodwinked? Once as long your memory is not impaired. Right? Maybe America's jihadist operations in Afghanistan in the 80-ies and the Balkans in the 90-ies and its buttock licking attitude towards Saudi Arabia ,Qatar , Turkey etc. give you signs to be optimistic ? Well, if anyone can be optimistic, then not we but our worst enemies from the so called 'religion of peace" who are working for our ruin.

And last and not least, better "bitterness and vengeance" than ignorance and amnesia.

(and I say that with the kindest intention)<

Me too.

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