The Quranic disaster In Hadhan lasahiran revisited! part one!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Nov 16, 2012 at 09:56

For the readers: The Quran has two claims that are far from the truth: that it is a kitab mubeen or clear book and that it is written in pure Arabic and both claims are far from the truth and the most celebrated Quranic mistake is Q20:63

And here is where the mistake is in today's Qur'an it says In Hadhan laSahiran which should be In Hadhayne laSahiran and I will explain the grammar later on

For those of you interested in Quranic literary criticism I elected to start with Ibn kathir because his exegesis was at a stage when the Quranic text was stable and orthodoxy was in charge and the free thinking of the likes of al-Tabari was gone so i will start with him then I will move on to what al-Tabari says and then I will read the Quranic verse in today's Cairo Qur'an and then explain the grammar as we are told by the Muslim sources and then i will conclude with al-Suyuti who is very late

And hhis is what I wrote

"Oh and stay tuned for Allah's big time mistake revisited ina hadhan la-sahiran (sic)"

And this is his answer

Nope - deal with this . . .

Which I read is as he has no clue but he tells us that he has the answer so i will lead him and let us see what he comes up with

So you tell us our dear Amin this is what Abn Kathir tells us about this little gem

قَالُوا إِنْ هَذَانِ لَسَاحِرَانِ " وَهَذِهِ لُغَة لِبَعْضِ الْعَرَب جَاءَتْ هَذِهِ الْقِرَاءَة عَلَى إِعْرَابهَا وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ قَرَأَ إِنَّ هَذَيْنِ لَسَاحِرَانِ وَهَذِهِ اللُّغَة الْمَشْهُورَة وَقَدْ تَوَسَّعَ النُّحَاة فِي الْجَوَاب عَنْ الْقِرَاءَة الْأُولَى بِمَا لَيْسَ هَذَا مَوْضِعه وَالْغَرَض أَنَّ السَّحَرَة قَالُوا فِيمَا بَيْنهمْ : تَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّ هَذَا الرَّجُل وَأَخَاهُ - يَعْنُونَ مُوسَى وَهَارُون - سَاحِرَانِ عَالِمَانِ خَبِيرَانِ بِصِنَاعَةِ السِّحْر يُرِيدَانِ فِي هَذَا الْيَوْم أَنْ يَغْلِبَاكُمْ وَقَوْمكُمْ وَيَسْتَوْلِيَا عَلَى النَّاس وَتَتْبَعهُمَا الْعَامَّة وَيُقَاتِلَا فِرْعَوْن وَجُنُوده فَيُنْصَرَا عَلَيْهِ وَيُخْرِجَاكُمْ مِنْ أَرْضكُمْ وَقَوْله " وَيَذْهَبَا بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى " أَيْ وَيَسْتَبِدَّا بِهَذِهِ الطَّرِيقَة وَهِيَ السِّحْر فَإِنَّهُمْ كَانُوا مُعَظَّمِينَ بِسَبَبِهَا لَهُمْ أَمْوَال وَأَرْزَاق عَلَيْهَا يَقُولُونَ إِذَا غَلَبَ هَذَانِ أَهْلَكَاكُمْ وَأَخْرَجَاكُمْ مِنْ الْأَرْض وَتَفَرَّدَا بِذَلِكَ وَتَمَحَّضَتْ لَهُمَا الرِّيَاسَة بِهَا دُونكُمْ وَقَدْ تَقَدَّمَ فِي حَدِيث الْفُتُون أَنَّ اِبْن عَبَّاس قَالَ فِي قَوْله " وَيَذْهَبَا بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى " يَعْنِي مُلْكهمْ الَّذِي هُمْ فِيهِ وَالْعَيْش وَقَالَ اِبْن أَبِي حَاتِم حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي حَدَّثَنَا نُعَيْم بْن حَمَّاد حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْم عَنْ عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن إِسْحَاق سَمِعَ الشَّعْبِيّ يُحَدِّث عَنْ عَلِيّ فِي قَوْله وَيَذْهَبَا بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى قَالَ يَصْرِفَانِ وُجُوه النَّاس إِلَيْهِمَا وَقَالَ مُجَاهِد وَيَذْهَبَا بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى قَالَ أُولُو الشَّرَف وَالْعَقْل وَالْأَسْنَان. وَقَالَ أَبُو صَالِح بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى أَشْرَافكُمْ وَسَرَوَاتكُمْ وَقَالَ عِكْرِمَة بِخَيْرِكُمْ وَقَالَ قَتَادَة وَطَرِيقَتهمْ الْمُثْلَى يَوْمئِذٍ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيل وَكَانُوا أَكْثَر الْقَوْم عَدَدًا وَأَمْوَالًا فَقَالَ عَدُوّ اللَّه يُرِيدَانِ أَنْ يَذْهَبَا بِهَا لِأَنْفُسِهِمَا وَقَالَ عَبْد الرَّحْمَن بْن زَيْد بِطَرِيقَتِكُمْ الْمُثْلَى بِاَلَّذِي أَنْتُمْ عَلَيْهِ .

This is his tafseer so can you tell us our dear Amin what these first two lines say?

قَالُوا إِنْ هَذَانِ لَسَاحِرَانِ " وَهَذِهِ لُغَة لِبَعْضِ الْعَرَب جَاءَتْ هَذِهِ الْقِرَاءَة عَلَى إِعْرَابهَا وَمِنْهُمْ مَنْ قَرَأَ إِنَّ هَذَيْنِ لَسَاحِرَانِ وَهَذِهِ اللُّغَة الْمَشْهُورَة

Now it is your chance to shine our dear Amin al-tablighee

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