The barbarian and the civilized!

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 28, 2013 at 13:57

Mozere whose ancestors were Greeks and Armenians and Syrians and who really shaped the barbarians Turk, that invaded the Byzantine empire, in their own image

Our present PM Mr Erdogan is of ethnic Georgian origin,past President Mr Ozal wasKurdish.

It does not surprise me in the least that even Erdogan is a not a real "Turk" and it proves my point

You see if you read the great German historian C. Becker who also raised the question that I also posed "How can a few poorly equipped looters and caravan raiders destroy great civilizations" he came to the conclusion that in the case of Islam: "without Alexander the Great there would have been no Islamic civilization" which really means that the Islamic civilization was about historical continuity (remember our little discussion?) and not the discredited claim by Muslim historians that Islam was really about historical discontinuity or the bogus al-jahiliyya concept

Just ask yourself: How can a few Arab looters and camel and goat thieves and caravan raiders invade and destroy great civilizations (and no there is no Allah to help them) when we would have expected that those Arabs looters would have joined the civilized, spoke their language and converted to their religion.

Unless the civilized was in for a change both in the linguistic and the religious spheres

Can you imagine Islam withour the ulama that came from Iran? Can you even imagine the Arabic language without the likes of Sibawayhe and al-Tabari and al-Zamakhshari and al-Bukhari? And non of them was Arab

The Arabs wanted to loot and no more but they fell on a chance that does not happen often and that is a society ready for change and the Arabs invasions spraked these changes for reasons that are still unclear (as in the case of who really invaded Egypt and why would 4000 goat theives and caravan raiders defeat the mighty Byzantine army in Egypt?) but it was the civilized that shaped the invaders and the civilized wrote their books and created the history that never existed! Can you even imagine Islam and its prophet and his biography without the Ibn Ishaq who was Syrian and Ibn Hisham who was Egyptian?

The same thing happened in Turkey and that is a few Turkish looters were the spark needed for this change which I suspect came from within the civilized

And those that did not convert to the new identiy be it Turkish speaking or Islamic were killed in genocides or expelled and it goes on to these days in the attacks of the Kurds in Turkey

You see our dear Mozere it is the civilized Armenians and the Greeks and the Syrians that made Turkey what it is and so is Islam. .

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