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Nationalist (Zionist) Irredentism & the Outside-In Stategy - not Victory over Palestinians

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Submitted by Robert (United States), Jan 4, 2022 at 14:11

Dear Dr. Daniel Pipes,

You have done a great job in this Article in identifying the so-called Tectonic Shift(s) among the Arab & "Left" adversaries of Israel. However, I do not agree (as I argue elsewhere on you MEF) that Victory (over the Palestinians) is the right Strategic approach. I wish to remind you, and your readers, that you once had a different Strategy, a so of TOP-DOWN or IN-OUT Strategy. Also, you made a single reference to the Antisemitism involved (in Anti-Israel, Anti-Zionism). I believe that Anti-Semitism is less visible and more prevalent than is has been since the the Holocaust; in that regard, you are generous by pointing your finger at the Left instead of the Democratic Party and the United Nations Fora. I call these barely visible or neglect Fissures by the Simple Term: "Antisemitism." And here is a partial vocabulary on that matter or issue. But before that List, I wish to make some conceptual observations. The "neighbors" of Israel have mostly a Double identity connoted by two (2) distinct words; Israelis, on the other hand have only one (1). In particular, the distinction identifies the People (Nation) and the Faith (Religion). More particularly, the Neighbors are Arabs (Nation & Nationality); they are mostly Arabs, and they are Muslim (their Faith is Islam. However, the word "Jew" is ambiguous because it connotes both the People or Nation as well as the Faith or the Religion. More confusing is the fact that Israeli connotes Citizenship. However, in more recent times, the Knesset (Parliament of Israel) passed a law declaring Israel to be a Jewish State. That means, more or last, at least, that Israel is the Home of the Jewish People. This is consistent with Zionism, which was and remains a Secular Ideology of the Jewish People or Nation. And at the most extreme, Judaism is the National Religion of the Jewish People in Israel; it does not mean that Other Religions are not protected or tolerated in Israel. And even more complicated is the fact that the Torah, what Christian retain in their Bible is the Old Testament (Part One, so to speak). And the Torah, in the broad or narrow sense is the Mythical Secular History of the Jewish People, the People who have lived outside their Homeland for 2,000 years in an "Apartheid" condition, having been Ethnically Cleaned by the Roman Empire out of Judah, the last Jewish state within the Roman Empire.

Now comes the fact of the recently deceased South African "Martin Luther" and "Martin Luther, Jr.", namely BISHOP TUTU. It is he who imposed the term Apartheid upon the Jewish People within Israel aka Palestine. And it is the Christian USA former President, Jimmy Carter who put "Apartheid" in the title of his "Antisemitic" book against the Jews in Israel/Palestine.

So what are the "Palestinians"? They are the mostly Arabs Muslim and Christians who replaced the Jews who COLONIZED Israel/Palestine after it was Ethnically Cleaned of Jews; and Apartheid was imposed upon the Jews for two Thousand Years (2,000) by keeping Jews in Ghettos. These Ghettos were eventually replaced by Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps by the Nazis under Hitler in the Third Reich and its Conquered countries which only ended in 1945 - Hitler having mere "not finished his 6,000,000 Job for the rest of the Anti-Semitic World. President Roosevelt (the 2nd) REFUSED to bomb the Railroads which forcefully was delivering Jews for "Settlement in the East" - a NAZI Euphemism for Extermination Gas Chambers.

This all happened even though the 1917 Balfour Declaration was Adopted by the British Empire during WWI (1914-1918). In the interim, when Peace was achieved, the League of Nations (of which the USA was not a part) granted the British Empire the Mandate for Palestine during 1921-1923. And Article 25 was also adopted whereby East Palestine (later Transjordan aka Jordan) was to remain 100% "Clean of Jews" or "Jewish Apartheid" - meaning 100% no Jews in Jordan. Ironically, before, up to, and during the Holocaust, Jews had a place to flee as Refugees. But it is a FACT that the British Mandate authorities refused to grant Jews entry to the remaining territories under their Palestine Mandate. In other words, the British knew and allowed Hitler to exterminated Jews in the Extermination ("refugee") Camps with their Remains Being Burnt in special Ovens i9mmediately upon removal from the Gas Chambers; yet "no on"e sees this as ETHNIC CLEANSING. Many who managed to avoid this Catastrophe wound up in "Palestine" Illegally (in violation of the British Authorities) as "COLONIZES". During this 6,000,000 NAZI German extermination one ONE COUNTRY in the World granted Jews a Visa for Refuge (Refugee Status) - namely, the Dominican Republic under its Dictator, Rafael Trujillo.

So, you are being extremely generous when you cite the Left as the adversary of Israel and give so little weight to the Antisemitism (which you mention one) well disguised as mere anti-Israel or anti-Zionism.

I will not go into details, as I suggest I would above. But I will simply state that the Enemies of Israel are all the countries, at least 125 of the 193 member states of the UN, who voted against Israel in resolutions last month (December). Your "Victory" term does not seem adequate because, for one, you are not suggesting War. But it's also hard for me to find the adequate language. How is Israel to prevail over these 125 countries in the UN? Any words or language or sentence I imagine using you will come with the retort: "Strategy," not "Advocacy," is what you do in the MEF. And Diplomacy, Economic Strategies, Financing, Banking, Technology, do not seem to fall under your stress on embodied in the Concept of Victory.

Anyone who is Religious might argue that the Palestinian Cause was created by Providence to keep Jews on their toes to develop Israel, and its Irredentist "Natural" ambitions in the Territories of Palestine. So is the case with the Teutonic Fissure among the Palestinians in Gaza under Hamas and those in the West Bank under the PA under the helm of Abbas; accordingly, the last thing to do is to intervene in the Palestine Split among themselves; the longer they fight among themselves the further will the so-called Two (2) State Solution will be possible. Perhaps some sort of a Confederation or Union will one day be made possible. After all, 21% Arabs are citizens of Israel. Why are they prohibited from building Second Homes in the West Bank or Gaza?

Perhaps it is Providence which has changed the Battlefield to exclude the areas where the Palestinians reside? And as UN recognized Refugees they are a very small minority compared to all the other current refugees, especially in the context of the Arab Spring. Now the Arab and Muslim Refugees are the consequence of other Arab and Muslim Protagonists - not Israel.

Perhaps it is also Providence (Deist view) which is ultimately responsible for the current composition of the Israeli ruling Government. And it is ironic that a Islamist [Israeli Muslim Brotherhood ] Muslim (a different [Mamoud] Abbas) is is a part of this Government of Israel; he claims that Israel was born as a Jewish State and so it will remain - and he wants the economic betterment of Israel's Arab citizens. In the context of a Military Victory in the Israeli Civil War since 1948, this is an incredible development. So the issue is Peace, not Victory. And Peace is accomplished with a Peace Treaty among the Warring States. The 125 countries and not all at Peace with Israel. How is Israel to make Peace with them is the Question. On the other hand, the Palestinians are engaged at best in their continuous Civil War within Greater Palestine, which includes the Territories Liberate (not Occupied) by Israel from Egypt and Jordan. So this involves an Internal Affair - the way the Chines view their claim of Taiwan or Tibet, or the way Cyrus, and most of the World views Northern Cyprus. Under these circumstances; so let the Palestinian continue to loose their opportunities to loose opportunities. Accordingly please change back your Strategy away from Victory over the Palestinians, and get back to your pre-Victory Strategy; you were right the first time, in my view.

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1Nationalist (Zionist) Irredentism & the Outside-In Stategy - not Victory over Palestinians [1383 words]RobertJan 4, 2022 14:11277987
2To preach is the duty of the believer of an idea and tectonic shift in attitude [385 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
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Conversion [431 words]Ali BabaFeb 4, 2019 23:25247428
1Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم is free to leave Islam! [207 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2019 15:38247428
Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم and Islam is the cultural imperialism of the Arabs [240 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2019 15:54247428
2The bottom line message for Ali Baba [129 words]PrashantFeb 5, 2019 23:29247428
Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم is not aware that Allah also says that the Jews are polytheists! Which is a big fat lie! [592 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2019 06:34247428
1Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم and science in the Qur'an Mashallah! [388 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2019 10:59247428
1Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم and Muslim castes in India and Pakistan and so much for equality among "believers" in Islam! [212 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2019 13:32247428
1Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم and his bogus history! [518 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 6, 2019 15:25247428
Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم disagrees with his Allah! Why? The Qur'an is clearly against proselytization [347 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 7, 2019 06:06247428
7Our dear Ali Baba صلى الله عليه وسلم can you comment on the attack on the Ahmadi village in Bangladesh? [126 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 13, 2019 06:27247428
But Ahmadis are safe in the middle east, right? [29 words]JeffFeb 14, 2019 22:12247428
New attitudes to Israel [3 words]Jon PurizhanskyJan 29, 2019 19:59247415
Enemy of my enemy is my friend [323 words]AnonJan 12, 2019 15:25247113
1What Zephaniah Said About Zion: Tectonic Shifting Comes Later [227 words]MToveyJan 7, 2019 17:12247027
in a blink of an eye [267 words]SomoApr 14, 2019 17:51247027
1The "genius" our dear Somo is quoting a "corrupted" book! [93 words]dhimmi no moreApr 15, 2019 17:00247027
1Are Arab-Muslims really warming to Israel? [335 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Raul MarksJan 1, 2019 17:00246931
Guiding the perplexed our dear Raul! [108 words]dhimmi no moreJan 5, 2019 09:05246931
Our dear Raul and the latest in the strange world of Indian and Pakistani Muslims [119 words]dhimmi no moreJan 5, 2019 11:33246931
Fact checking DNM regarding Q930 and Q931 [177 words]PrashantJan 7, 2019 22:38246931
1The author of the Qur'an claims that the Jews are polytheists! No I'm not kidding [283 words]dhimmi no moreJan 8, 2019 15:00246931
Christians are polytheists [67 words]Raul MarksJan 8, 2019 19:05246931
Guiding the perplexed our dear Raul! Part 2 [743 words]dhimmi no moreJan 9, 2019 15:50246931
4Guiding the perplexed our dear Raul and Muhammad converted to Judaism! I'm not kidding! What a disaster [316 words]dhimmi no moreJan 9, 2019 16:08246931
Dear readers: Our dear Raul tell us why is polytheism bad and why is monotheism bad! [35 words]dhimmi no moreJan 9, 2019 16:11246931
1I'm embarassing myself? [5 words]Raul MarksJan 9, 2019 22:58246931
Our dear Raul: Muslims are polytheists and pagan! [328 words]dhimmi no moreJan 10, 2019 06:02246931
Our dear Raul and Isiah 42! The top subject discussed by every tablighee and his cousin! [27 words]dhimmi no moreJan 10, 2019 06:58246931
1Our dear Raul is asking: "I'm embarassing (sic) myself"? Yes you are! [73 words]dhimmi no moreJan 10, 2019 16:11246931
1Our dear Raul al-tablighee your prophet needs help! His brand of monotheism was refuted by the Jews and the pagans with Mecca! What a disaster [106 words]dhimmi no moreJan 10, 2019 16:34246931
1Islamic arguments get lost in frivolity [520 words]PrashantJan 10, 2019 22:18246931
Touche [13 words]Raul MarksJan 11, 2019 00:04246931
Our dear Raul and argument from "yous" and "tho"! You need to stick to Urdu And the Islamic comedy goes on and on [140 words]dhimmi no moreJan 11, 2019 16:45246931
The genius Raul is quoting the Bible which means that he disagrees with his Allah astaghfirullah! [180 words]dhimmi no moreJan 11, 2019 17:00246931
Guiding the perplexed our dear Raul and Muhammad converted to Judaism! I'm not kidding! Part two [81 words]dhimmi no moreJan 11, 2019 17:22246931
Our dear Raul and the Quranic disaster that Jesus is the "word" and "spirit" of Allah [233 words]dhimmi no moreJan 12, 2019 08:10246931
Our dear Raul is not aware of Mark 12:29 and the God of the Christians is One! [97 words]dhimmi no moreJan 12, 2019 08:16246931
4Prashant: Sunan Abi Dawood is all Ahadith Sahiha! [214 words]dhimmi no moreJan 12, 2019 08:37246931
Our dear Raul and more Quranic disasters: Allah can have a son! What stops him? He does not have a girl friend! [224 words]dhimmi no moreJan 12, 2019 11:12246931
Our dear Raul wrote: "Christians are polytheists" His Allah says in Q5:17 that Christians are monotheists! What a disaster [121 words]dhimmi no moreJan 12, 2019 12:32246931
1Why can God be both alive and dead and at multiple places at the same time [66 words]PrashantJan 12, 2019 16:06246931
Our dear Raul repeats the same nonsense written in Tablighee web sites! And what is better than quoting a Kafir writer! [89 words]dhimmi no moreJan 13, 2019 09:55246931
Our dear Raul and the tablighee question: "Which one is the correct Bible"? [234 words]dhimmi no moreJan 14, 2019 17:18246931
Prashant: The Qur'an says that the OT is not corrupted! Attention: Our dear Raul and our dear Robert! [205 words]dhimmi no moreJan 15, 2019 12:07246931
2Our dear Raul: Every tablighee and his cousin are wondering: Which sect of Christianity is the correct Christianity? [94 words]dhimmi no moreJan 16, 2019 12:07246931
1Absurdity of Islamic theocracies [255 words]PrashantJan 16, 2019 19:52246931
1Our dear Raul and every tablighee and his cousin are lecturing kuffar about the fate of their native populations! [158 words]dhimmi no moreJan 19, 2019 07:06246931
Our dear Raul and our dear Robert and the bogus Quranic miracle of "Number 19"! [431 words]dhimmi no moreJan 19, 2019 10:06246931
Allah says that the Jews are polytheists! So do you disagree with Allah our dear Raul? [65 words]dhimmi no moreJan 19, 2019 10:12246931
Our dear Raul صلى الله عليه وسلم and more Quranic disaster! Allah wears a burqa? [214 words]dhimmi no moreJan 26, 2019 12:27246931
Clarification for Dr Pipes [329 words]Raul MarksFeb 4, 2019 17:27246931
Our dear Raul is back! I wonder why! [183 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 5, 2019 15:24246931
More gems from our dear Raul! Arabs v Non Arab converts to Islam! [230 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 8, 2019 06:02246931
Re: Dhimmi No More's psychoses [6 words]Raul MarksFeb 14, 2019 23:39246931
Our dear Raul and camel's urine! [44 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 15, 2019 16:20246931
Our dear Raul صلى الله عليه وسلم clearly has no answers! I wonder why? It must be that he was not aware that we kuffar don't buy his nonsense [74 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 15, 2019 16:29246931
Our dear Raul and " psychoses"? Seriously? [36 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 15, 2019 16:39246931
Our dear Raul and "psychoses"! Guess who suffered from "psychoses"? [304 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 16, 2019 07:33246931
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Our dear Raul is not aware, or he is hoping that we kuffar don't know, that his prophet had mental health issues! [144 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2019 08:21246931
1Our dear Raul must be a victim of the ignorant Ahmad Deedat and Zakir Naik! [254 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 17, 2019 10:19246931
Our dear Raul: And the disaster of the Trinity in the Qur'an! I'm still waiting! [458 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 21, 2019 07:34246931
Our dear Raul صلى الله عليه وسلم : More disasters? Allah prays, yes prays to Jesus! How did this happen our dear Raul [229 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 21, 2019 13:00246931
Our dear Raul and Quranic disasters! [411 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 22, 2019 10:50246931
Our dear Raul: Let us see if "The Schrodinger's Theology" will help you [245 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2019 08:49246931
1Our dear Raul and the Urdu translations of the Qur'an! [105 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 24, 2019 11:18246931
To Peter; Who Do Men Say That I Am? [67 words]MToveyFeb 25, 2019 19:17246931
3M Tovey: Deconstructing Our dear Raul and pagan Islam [187 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 27, 2019 06:29246931
Back to DNM-Deconstruction of Mystery Babylon and the Religions It Perverts [260 words]MToveyFeb 28, 2019 18:56246931
Not Brazil! [120 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Dan SchwartzDec 31, 2018 20:57246918
6Leftists in India are no different from leftists everywhere else [420 words]PrashantDec 28, 2018 17:06246839
Intersectionality seems to be a factor. [133 words]David HoffmanDec 28, 2018 13:14246830
Which comes first, intersectionality or anti-Semitism? [43 words]Paul RothbergJan 7, 2019 08:50246830
or eternally shifting sands? [69 words]Rea1ityCheckDec 27, 2018 22:49246808
2Muslims in Europe are keen on having Western countries turn against Israel [59 words]Anon.Dec 27, 2018 20:02246806
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w/response from Daniel Pipes
stan sujkaDec 27, 2018 08:37246794
1Social media may be what is causing the Left to get isolated [420 words]PrashantDec 27, 2018 20:27246794
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Andrew SchonbergerDec 27, 2018 00:15246785
1Two Muslim worlds - two attitudes towards Israel. [65 words]
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Ephraim LiorDec 26, 2018 23:42246784

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