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Tuba-Zangariyye (2011): Arab burning of Mosque - in order to pin it on JewsReader comment on item: Offer: $1 million for Finding "Jerusalem" in the Koran Submitted by Farid (United States), Jan 4, 2022 at 15:45 Tuba-Zangariyye (2011): Arab burning of Mosque - in order to pin it on Jews THE 'WRITING ON THE WALL' - OBVIOUS SIGNS IT WAS DONE BY ARABS שריפת מסגדים ותג המחיר, האידיוט השימושיי לא ילמד לעולם? Nahum Shahaf to Civil...@googlegroups.com משמפניה וקו 300 ועד מוחמד א-דורה והמסגד בחסן בק ביפו. אדיוטים שימושיים - לא תלמדו לעולם? לשון הידיעה בהארץ: במאמר המצורף בהמשך מ-YNET ניתן ללמוד על שיטה לביצוע מעשי פשע תוך השגת רווח נוסף בהפלת האשם על מי שרוצים לפגוע בו. הפגיעה במסגד בצפון תוך השארת גרפיטי המטיל את האחריות על המתנחלים. היתה בכפר ערבי ישראלי שרוב תושביו אוהדים את ישראל רבים מתוכם שירתו בצהל. כפי שיודע כל חוקר משטרה מתחיל, כשמבקשים לגלות את האחראים על מעשה פשע יש לחפש מי הרוויח ומי הפסיד? בסיפור הידוע על זאב זאב, כבר לאחר "הזאב זאב" השני הכפריים הפרימיטיבים הצליחו להבין את הפרנציפ, אצלינו אלף פעם חזרו ורימו אותנו ולא למדנו את הפרנציפ? להלן המאמר ב-YNET המזימה: פיצוץ במסגד ביפו, "תג מחיר" להסוואה המאמר במעריב: עלילת הדם כשיטה Moshe M. 10/4/11 to Civil...@googlegroups.com ראיתי הבוקר בעיתון את התצלום של כתובת הגרפיטי על קיר המסגד, ולדעתי מעוררת חשד כבד כי את הכתובת לא כתב יהודי. שמם של המתנחל ותינוקו, שנהרגו ליד חברון, הוא פלמר. בכתובת הגרפיטי נכתב "פלמן", בנו"ן סופית. לדעתי, אילו היו אלה מתנחלים או אף בני "נוער הגבעות", היודעים עברית ולבטח מכירים את השם פלמר, לא היו אנשים אלה - שלכאורה באו לנקום את מות הנרצחים - כותבים, שום פנים ואופן, "פלמן". אני חושד כי את הכתובת כתב אדם שהעברית אינה שפתו העיקרית. כבר ידענו רבות את כושר הפרובוקציה, של הערבים וגם של אחרים - לרבות יהודים ישראליים הנותנים ידם למאבק הערבי - שיש להם עניין לסכסך בין ערביי טובא-זנגריה ובין היבהודים ומדינת ישראל. בעיתון צוטטו תושבי הכפר, הטוענים "אנו משרתים בצה'ל וזה מה שאנו מקבלים", במילים אחרות, יש חשד סביר כי היתה זו פרובוקציה שמבצעיה ערבים ולא יהודים. משה Burning mosques and price tag, the useful idiot will never learn? Nahum Shahaf 10/4/11 From Champagne and Line 300 to Muhammad a-Dura and the Hassan Bek Mosque in Jaffa. Useful idiots - you will never learn! The language of the news in Haaretz: So far the language of knowledge in Haaretz, similar articles have been published in the rest of the electronic and written media. In the article attached below from YNET, you can learn about a method for committing crimes while achieving additional profit by blaming those who want to harm him. This technique is familiar to us from sailors such as Muhammad a-Dura (I chaired the IDF commission of inquiry), or even by Israelis such as Champagne. The attack on a mosque in the north while leaving graffiti places the responsibility on the "settlers." It is an Israeli Arab village whose majority of residents support Israel, many of whom served in the IDF. As any beginning police investigator knows, when seeking to find out who is responsible for a crime one should look for who won and who lost? In the well-known story about a wolf wolf, already after the second "wolf wolf" the primitive villagers managed to understand the principle, with us a thousand times they cheated us again and we did not learn the principle? Palestinians have been caught several times cutting down olive trees. To date, not a single settler has been caught cutting down olive trees. In Israel, the Israeli media and the police still continue to blame the settlers. About two months ago, several Arabs from Jaffa were caught with an explosive device a short time before they were about to blow up the Hassan Beck Mosque. The leftists from the New Israel Foundation filled in on political prostitutes who make good money in support of Palestinian lies, but the right in Israel includes Bibi and how many of the settler leaders continue to believe them? Useful Idiots - Will You Ever Learn? Below is the article on YNET The plot: an explosion in a mosque in Jaffa, a "price tag" for camouflage The article in Maariv The article in Maariv Blood Libel as a method Articles in the International Media [http://web.archive.org/web/20100412050707/http://www.a-dura.com/a22760-a-dura-investigation-results-is-the-boy-still-alive] Moshe M. This morning I saw in the newspaper the photograph of the graffiti on the wall of the mosque, and in my opinion arouses great suspicion that the inscription was not written by a Jew. The name of the settler and his baby, who were killed near Hebron, is Palmer. The graffiti inscription reads "Felman", in the final name. In my opinion, if it were settlers or even the "hill youth", who know Hebrew and probably know the name Palmer, these people - who allegedly came to avenge the deaths of the murdered - would not write, no face And manner, "Felman." I suspect that the inscription was written by a man whose Hebrew is not his primary language. We already knew a great deal about the capacity of provocation, of the Arabs as well as of others - including Israeli Jews who lend a hand in the Arab struggle - who have an interest in a conflict between the Tuba-Zabgariyye Arabs and Jews and the State of Israel. The newspaper quoted the villagers as saying, "We serve in the IDF and that's what we get," In other words, there is a reasonable suspicion that this was a provocation carried out by Arabs and not Jews. Moses. ______________ "SUSPECTED" SETTLERS RELEASED ' - NO NEWS HEADLINES ON RELEASE; REMINDING: EARLIER ARABS BURNING ANOTHER MOSQUE, ALSO TO PIN ON JEWS... יום רביעי , 19/10/2011 , 20:11 מי באמת הצית את המסגד בטובא-זנגריא? מה לא מספרים לנו? אנה גולדמן גם אני, כמו כולם, הזדעזעתי עד עמקי נשמתי מההצתה הזאת - מעשה נפשע לכל הדעות. Wednesday, 19/10/2011, 20:11 Who really set fire to the mosque in Tuba-Zangariyye? What are we not told? Anna Goldman I, too, like everyone else, was shocked to the depths of my soul by this arson - a criminal act by all accounts. _____________ FINALLY, COURAGEOUS LOCAL ARABS STATE IT WAS DONE BY LOCAL ARABS ערוץ 2: מציתי המסגד בטובא זנגריא – כנראה לא יהודים חדשות סרוגים, לפני ארבעה חודשים רעשה הארץ סביב הצתת המסגד בכפר הבדואי טובא זנגרייה בצפון. אתמול שודרה כתבה בערוץ 2 בה נשמעים קולות של תושבי הכפר שאומרים שסכסוך חמולות בכפר הוא הגורם להצתה. האם כל המגנים יחזרו בהם מדבריהם? לא נראה. צפו בכתבה מערוץ 2. Channel 2: Lighters of the mosque in Tuba Zangaryye - probably not Jews Srugim News, 15.01.12 Four months ago, the country was buzzing around the burning of the mosque in the Bedouin village of Tuba Zangaryye in the north. Yesterday, an article was broadcast on Channel 2 in which the voices of the villagers were heard saying that a clan conflict in the village was the cause of the arson. Will all the defenders retract their words? Does not seem to. Watch the article from Channel 2. ______________ ONE OF LOCAL ARABS [FORMER IDF SOLDIER] WHO DARED TOLD THE TRUTH THAT IT WAS DONE BY ARABS - SHOTS FIRED AT HIS HOUSE טען שיהודים לא שרפו המסגד וביתו רוסס ביריות ראש מועצת טובא זנגריה, צביקה פוגל, מספר על שלטון האימים ברחובות הכפר, ועל הספקות סביב זהות מציתי המסגד לפני שבועות אחדים. שמעון כהן, כ' בטבת תשע"ב 15.01.12 מעט אחר חצות רוסס הלילה (א') ביריות ביתו בטובא זנגריה של צעיר שהצהיר אמש אל מול מצלמות ערוץ 2 כי את שריפת המסגד בכפרו ביצעו אנשים מתוך הכפר ולא יהודים במסגרת 'תג מחיר' כפי שפורסם בתקשורת. כך מספר ביומן ערוץ 7 ראש המועצה הממונה בטובא זנגריה, תא"ל במיל. צביקה פוגל. כלומר, המציתים המתינו עד אשר יווצר פחם בשביל לכתוב את כתובת הנאצה. זה יכול לקחת זמן מה, בייחוד אם רוצים לא להיכוות באופן קשה. חבל שהם שכחו את הספריי. בנוסף לכך, העובדה שהכיתוב ממוקם תחת העשן, ולא כוסה על ידו, מעידה על כך שהמשחית ביצע את כתיבתו לאחר שהאש שככה – או שמדובר באדם בעל אינטואיציה מאוד חזקה לגבי אופן בעירתה של האש. בחנתי את המסגד השרוף, בו האש בערה בחוזקה רבה כל כך עד שניפצה את המרצפות. תהיתי כיצד ייתכן הדבר שתושבי הכפר לא הריחו את השריפה עוד כשהחלה, והספיקו לכבותה לפני שהשחיתה את המסגד כל כך. האם ייתכן שאיש לא הריח את העשן, או שמע את קולות הפיצוץ?". שעות ספורות לאחר מכן התגלה הפשע, וכל המערכת הפוליטית בישראל מיהרה לגנותו. נשיא המדינה, שמעון פרס, נסע לבקר במקום, והוא רחש עיתונאים. צעירי הכפר הכועסים המתינו לערב, והציתו את בניין המועצה, המנוהלת על ידי יהודי. ימים ספורים לאחר מכן הוא ברח, מחשש לחייו. קראו לי משוגעת, אבל משהו כאן לא מסתדר לי". He argued that Jews did not burn the mosque and his house was spray-painted The head of the Tuba Zangaryye Council, Zvika Fogel, talks about the reign of terror in the village streets, and about the doubts surrounding the identity of the mosque's lighters a few weeks ago. Shimon Cohen, 20 Tevet 5772 15.01.12 Shortly after midnight, a young man who last night in front of Channel 2 cameras spray-painted the mosque in his village in Tuba Zangaria spray-painted his home in Tuba Zangaria. This is what the head of the council in charge of Tuba Zangaria, Brigadier General Zvika Fogel, says in the Channel 7 diary. At the beginning of his remarks, Fogel refers to the things mentioned in the article, according to which there are quite a few questions that raise doubts about the identity of the mosque's lighters. The questions raised in the article arose a few weeks ago on Gal Chen's blog, which wrote that after the reports and the shock surrounding the burning of the mosque, she went to the village to examine the incident closely and revealed many doubts. In her blog, Chen wrote: "What the media did not mention is that it is easy to see that the words are written in charcoal. That is, the lighters waited until coal was formed to write the abusive address. This can take some time, especially if you do not want to be severely beaten. Too bad they forgot the spray. In addition, the fact that the caption is placed under the smoke, and not covered by it, indicates that the destroyer did his writing after the fire subsided - or that it is a person with a very strong intuition about how to fire the fire. I examined the burnt-out mosque, where the fire had burned so vigorously that it shattered the tiles. I wondered how it was possible that the villagers did not smell the fire when it started, and managed to put it out before it destroyed the mosque so much. Is it possible that no one smelled the smoke, or heard the sounds of the explosion? ". Chen also wrote: "Zangaryye, it should be noted, is located at the top of a steep hill. Arriving at the mosque will require a climb of about two hundred meters inside thorns and stones. It is not easy to do it with a barrel of oil, especially when you come from the West Bank. It's in the middle of the dark night. Let's make a brief overview of the data: According to popular opinion in the country, settlers from the West Bank decided to carry out a price tag in retaliation for the murder of Asher Palmer, who was killed in Hebron, in Tuba-Zangaria. Up a hill, they set fire to a mosque in the middle of the village in the middle of the night. ". They probably felt really safe if they were not afraid to wait for the coal to form. A few hours later, the crime was discovered, and the entire Israeli political system was quick to condemn it. President Shimon Peres went to visit the place, and he was buzzing with journalists. The angry young people of the village waited for the evening, and set fire to the council building, which is run by a Jew. A few days later he fled, fearing for his life. I was called crazy, but something here is not working out for me. " Vogel refers to things, but points out at the outset that he does not accept any statement from a blogger, especially after she stated, among other things, that he fled the scene and no longer serves in his position, a fact that is not true. However, he says that "some of the facts cannot be denied." And as for his own fear he states that he is indeed afraid. "Any normal person who has a family would be afraid," he says, recalling that after the mosque was set on fire, the council house was set on fire and the community center, the old age home and the clinic were damaged by rioters. Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". Reader comments (231) on this item
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