To Mahfoozur Rahman

Submitted by Vijay (United Kingdom), Nov 7, 2006 at 04:26

>Submitted by Mahfoozur Rahman, Nov 5, 2006 at 16:33

>The number game in any war is a futile exercise.

This is not a game Mr.Rahman; numbers help to keep it in a persepective. To win a war with no casulaties is far better than winning a war with some casualties which is better than winning a war with lot of casualties which is better than losing a war with lot of casualties. And remember , in the case of bangladesh, it was an unequal war; 99% of the dead and expelled were non-combatants

> One has to look at Europe to see how ancient enmities have been buried and a new era of peace and >prosperity has dawned in the EU. That is progress and that is modernity - the true reality of the 21st >century. You only have to look at the relationship of post-war Germany and the State of Israel to know what I >am talking about. But then, you would perhaps never like the Jews to forget and forgive the Germans for the >wrongs and the genocide that they suffered. These two countries are friends and partners in development.

Peace was possible only after the aggressors were thoroughly defeated, brought to justice, many of them hanged and the post-war principle was never to let fascism rise again.

>That, Mr Vijay, is progress towards peace, a noble principle that you do not seem to understand or comprehend.

Peace is not possible when those who claim Islam is a noble religion time and again resort to aggressions, and murders, small scale or large scale. That is what happened in Bangladesh 1971, and that is what is happening with Al-Qaueda and their ideological allies are prepared to kill innocent people by blowing up planes, buildings, trains and what not. If you don't confront the aggressors ideologically and militarily, it will continue to happen.

>, then your adverse comments on the virtues of forgiveness may as well be put in the correct perspective.

My perspective is that forgiveness may or may not be possible - no one is going to forgive nazis for plunging the world into war and carrying out Holocaust -. The conditions for forgiving arises only when the yoke of the aggressor and oppressor is thrown off completely, he is confronted, punished and is unable to be in a position to carry out his designs again. No one could forgive the executioners of the Apartheid system in south Africa when it was in operation

>On the one hand, you question the high principles of a faith followed by over a billion people by most objectionable terms, at the same time;

Numbers don't frighten me and you cannot stampede me in to justifying something just because a billion people say so. It is ironic that on the one hand you ignore the Pakistani genocide in Bangladesh with the slogan "The number game in any war is a futile exercise" considering that all the dead people were Bengalis and on the other hand you justify Islam on the sole criterion of a billion people being Muslims. For your information, till a few centuries back everybody believed earth is flat. Go figure the logic

>Truth, Mr Vijay, stands supreme in spite of all the adverse propaganda and falsification of history.

You said it Mr.Rahman, In spite of a barrage of propaganda of 'Religion of peace' and 'noble religion' , so many innocents have been behaeded in front of cameras, planes and buildings blown off, women behaeded for working or acid thrown on their face for not covering it, genocides committed - all to the cries of Allahu Akbar

>And I believe as an absolute Article of Faith: To forgive is divine, as Allah is all forgiving and most merciful. >No agent provocateur will be able to divert or dissuade me, or my co-religionists from this noble principle.

By forgiving everything even when you are a victim, you learn nothing from history, nothing from experience -paving the way for more Islamic genocides which you will keep forgiving more.

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