To sabrina- no mischief definition given, still

Submitted by Esmeralda (Slovakia), Dec 7, 2007 at 09:56

Thank for your lenghty, but not well aimed comment.

1. i have not found any definition of mischief in quran - and that is very bad for islam.

everyone, literally everyone, moslem or non moslem can be accused by moslems of spreading mischief in land and therefore killed - easy pretext to get rid of everyone...

with so vague a definition, no one can be sure, if he/she disipleased someone...

2. Safyia case again.

rape - so you think that it is normal to have sex with the murderer of your father and husband... what for a strange thing makes islam from women...if you still persist, you have to see someone with your severe emotional problem - because it is not normal, what you are saying - and excuse that she has a miraculous dream...-Stockohlm syndrom -a bit poetic one... because i know what i would do - prophet or not, if he let me live - i will sleep with him only to kill him lately - and I m sure that there is a lot of nasty poisons....

When her family was killed by the prophet and his men he felt responsible for her as she was a prisoner of war and feared she might be killed.

- you are kidding...:) why to kill a beautiful slave girl, that can earn a lot of gold on the market? why? moslems were cute slave merchants:) long, long ago before Westerners:)

he felt responsible for her as she was a prisoner of war - no, she wasnt. she was a booty, that has to be sold in slavery...a prisoner of war cannot be sold...there is a ransom that is paid for him/her. but Safyia has no relatives able to pay a ransom, even when it would be asked...

take off your rose goggles... and switch in your brain.

Her beauty did capture his heart and he fell for her, he did not RAPE her like you say, he asked her to convert at which she angrily replied "why would I convert to your religion? You have killed my family"! the prophet apologised and consoled her telling her, her family were his enemies wanting him killed. These were his words, If you do not accept Islam, but prefer to remain Jewish," "You will join the fate of the rest of your people." Safiya's answer was that she had nothing to loose, as all her family had been killed and she had no one to go back for ..

Her beauty did capture his heart and he fell for her, - and he pay her no mahr (money for using her genitals) as she was already in his posession ... all his wives, apart from Khadija and Sawda were really beauties... one wonders why?

Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . (Sahih Bukhari 1.367)

Narrated Anas:
The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer near Khaibar when it was still dark and then said, "Allahu-Akbar! Khaibar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a (hostile) nation (to fight), then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned." Then the inhabitants of Khaibar came out running on the roads. The Prophet had their warriors killed, their offspring and woman taken as captives. Safiya was amongst the captives, She first came in the share of Dahya Alkali but later on she belonged to the Prophet . The Prophet made her manumission as her 'Mahr'. (Sahih Bukhari V.5 B.59 N.512)

you cannot captured so atomic heart as he has.. he was captured by lust, nothing others... so she cannot even divorce him (or let be divorced) because she will lost her freedom and because it is hallal to sleep with slave girls, she must sleep with him...

see Juwairyiah case..

Narrated Ibn Aun:
I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army." Volume 3, Book 46, Number 717: Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning - very spiritual, very prophitic, very islamic....

"You will join the fate of the rest of your people." - that means, beheaded on the spot.. according to under mentioned hadis - but there let be "No compulsion in religion", of course...

Your "merciful" Prophit Mohamed (PSBUH), was very nice man.. really, he let kill boys with one pubic hair (as the prove that they were men).. really, an astonishing example of compassion.. according to such logic, a girl with one pubic hair is a mature woman :D

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280
Muhammad headed an army of three thousand infantry men and thirty horsemen of Ansar (Helpers) and Muhajireen (Emigrants). The Banu Quraiza was attacked for not supporting Muhammad when the Quraish attacked Medina. Ali sworn that he would never stop until he either storms their garrisons or be killed. This siege lasted 25 days. Finally the Banu Qurayza surrendered unconditionally. Muhammad ordered that the men be handcuffed, while the women and children were isolated in confinement. Thereupon Al-Aws tribe interceded begging the Prophet to be lenient towards them. Muhammad suggested that Sa'd bin Mu'adh, a former ally, be deputed to give verdict about them, and they agreed. Sa'd's verdict who had received as a serious wound in the previous Battle of the Confederates was "that all the able-bodied male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters.

One wonders why Muhammad who claimed to be the messenger of Allah and in contact with him needed the judgment of a human. Yet this most cruel verdict was precisely what pleased him and he "accepted his judgment saying that Sa'd had adjudged by the Command of Allâh."

Al-Bubarapouri adds that "In fact, the Jews deserved that severe punitive action for the ugly treachery they had harbored against Islam, and the large arsenal they have amassed and which consisted of one thousand and five hundred swords, two thousand spears, three hundred armours and five hundred shields, all of which went into the hands of the Muslims."

The Muslims historians have been quick to bring the same baseless alibis to justify their raids against their victims like, they were "mischievous", causing "sedition" or being "treacherous" and "harboring against Islam". However no specifics exists as of the nature of those sins to warrant such a sever punishment and their total genocide. Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Madinah and a number of Jews between six and nine hundred were beheaded therein. Huyai, Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Bani Nadeer and Safiyah's father was captured in this siege and brought to the Prophet with his hands tied to his neck with a rope. In an audacious defiance he rejected Muhammad and preferred to be beheaded than submitting to his Religion by force. He was ordered to sit down and was beheaded on the spot.

To separate men from the boys, the youngsters were examined and if they had grown any pubic hair, it was enough to behead them.

What definitely persuaded me that Prophet Mohamed was no prophet, was the torturing of Kinanna, Safyia´s first husband and treasurer of the tribe.

Were the supernatural abilities of the Prophit so weak (or maybe Gabriel was on leave) that he has to torture treasurer in order to find gold and jewelry? Maybe Allah did not showed the right date tree.. maybe..

that is the question

Yes, Safyia stayed with the Prophet. And she had other chance? Had she die from thirst in desert with some old men and women (with no market price)? So she did the best that she can..

As for her relation to Prophet - i call that Stockholm syndrome...

she was sure to survive with him..

so, let´s return to quranic definition of mischief, ok?

Esmeralda

This same Hadith is recorded in the Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4292, which validates the claim of its authenticity.

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