answering the Dhimmi and unveiling Octavio...

Submitted by HARRAK (Canada), Mar 13, 2006 at 22:52

My friend so called "Dhimmy no more" I am glad to answer your questions starting with some key definitions that are prerequisite for you to engage in any discussion of the Quran:

1- Al-Sharh: which is the wordly explanation of the Quran
2- Al-Tafsir: which is the circumstancial explanation of the Quran
3- Al-Ta`weel: which is the explanation of the hidden meaning of the Quran (specialty of the Rasikhum fil 3ilm) In Shiism they are the 14 infallibles Muhammad included. In Sunnism it is a grey area where there is sharp difference between the Sunnite Sects.

Please note that 1 and 2 constitute the Zaahir (the revealed) Quran. 3 constitutes the Baatin (the hidden) Quran.

Now you said:"1. Could you provide us with a sura that does not need exegesis and that we all can undestand without commentaries? One sura would be enough. I expect you to provide us with the suar in the primary source and that is Arabic"

My answer: the Suras that do not need neither Tafsir nor Ta`weel are: a- Surat u`tawheed known as al Ikhlas b- Surat u `naass c- Suratu`l falaq d- surat ul`massad...some Ayas (verses) in long Suras also need neither Tafsir nor Ta`weel.

You said: " 2. Could you tell us what is the difference between tafsir and ta'weel?`
I say: see the above intro..

You said: 3. "How good is your Arabic?"
I say: BA modern literature in Arabic (added to my BA poliscie and religion) English. Diploma in free verse category poetry. (by the way I did my high schooling in French)

You said: "4. How much do you know about the Muslim Masora?"
I say: I accept your offer to help me know, what do you know about that!!..

Now I guess I can quickly unveil a sneaky liar in the forum:

Octavio said:

"When French people ask Muslim students to show their face at school, that is a legitimate request"

..wrong totally, the french government did not ask Muslim girls to show their face, they asked them to show their hair. All Muslim girls affected by the policy are from North Africa where the Burdha -Pakistani- tradition is less known. I did not know people claiming Christianity lie. Octavio you are not a real Christian. At least you could have waited untill April and turn your lie into a joke!

Octavio:" When the Italian parliament, in a rare show of bipartizanship, bans the burka, that is also legitimate"

Here Octavio I have to agree with you on banning the Burdah (purdah) or like I call it the NINJA.

Octavio: "And the Danes are morally right when they make it impossible for Danish men to import under-25 wives from Muslim countries."

Is it 25 years of age or 25 wives..speak clear ! if it is 25 years of age that it goes against maturity laws. If you mean 25 wives I think you have confused Islam with Mormon Christianity. Not long ago a Jodge in The USA was cought married to a number of wives like you mentioned. Try watching English shows and avoid Danish and Dutch shows if you do not speak their language..

Octavio: "But, if you are objective, none of these actions amounts to discrimination on the grounds of race, colour and creed. This is mere common sense"

Listen, before you go up next time, measure how far you are from the bottom..Do not be like the hero that dies at the end because most people here believe not in heaven.

Later,

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