Answer to Bader S

Submitted by Rashid (Canada), Mar 13, 2006 at 23:34

Bader,

4.74 : Falyuqatil fee sabeeli Allahi allatheena yashroona alhayata a-ddunya bial akhirati waman yuqatil fee sabeeli Allahi fayuqtal aw yaghlib fasawfa nu-teehi ajran 'atheeman

Like the above ayah there are many in the Koran. And there are countless other Hadiths with the same message. This I don't need to tell you.

True, I used incorrect syntax in my post (I was in a hurry), saying "it's in the Koran" without specifying what is the "it". But this does not invalidate what I was trying to say, which everybody understands : The Koran is full of those injunctions.

The boys that go on suicide missions may not read, much less unterstand, the Koran. Had they been left alone to their own devices, we wouldn't have suicide bombers today. 15-20 years ago kids in Nablus or Ramallah were into Rock'n roll and Michael Jackson - trading T-shirts and Jeans ! Today things have changed considerably. The coaches, the leaders and the clerics, vested with the immense moral authority that they seem to have acquired in the last couple of decades, are the ones who invoke the Koran. Those injunctions are constantly "explained and interpreted" and hammered day and night into their skulls. They have created a new culture where a suicide mission is a noble act. Parents have no compunction seeing their kids blowing themselves up. (Financial compensation is also part of the deal -- if we can serve Allah and get paid for it - all the better!) Children are dragged into this and irreparably damaged.

The point that nobody get is : the mulim leaders could never have created that cuilture without the Koran as a basis for their indoctrination

The Japanese kamikases worshipped their emperor as a god. I guess you can stretch the definition of religion to encompass suicide for the Emperor ?? Or perhaps they were admonished to simply die as good patriots for their Fatherland ??
As to the Tamils, I dont know anything about them...


One last thing : the verse quoted above as you can see contains the root "QTL" 3 times. This word occurs A LOT in the Koran and is rendered as "fight" in almost every Koran translation. But the real meaning with rare exceptions is "kill". I chose this ayah to make this point.
The first two are rendered by all translators as "fight" (which is wrong in my view). The third one is unequivocally "kill". The translators had no choice but to use "kill"

Here is a translation of the ayah:
"Let those who "fight" in the Cause of Allah sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who "fights" in the Cause of Allah, whether is is "killed" or gets victory - soon shall We give him a great reward".

This translation is the closest I could find among many. But it's still not quite right.

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