You are totally off mark, Akbar + Message for others

Submitted by true believer (India), May 5, 2006 at 07:23

Akbar,

If Jews were so satanic and wanted to impose the concept of Divinity of JESUS they would not have rejected Him and had him crucified by the Romans. Bible says that some one who prophesizes when the Spirit of God is in him is a prophet. In that sense Jesus was truly a Prophet. He prophesised his death and his subsequent resurrection within three days. He is also referred to as "son of man" or the "son of Adam" because he was born a human in this world and bore the punishments for sins of all humankind. He is also referred to the son of David or "bar Daveed" in the Holy Bible but this does not mean that King David was his father. He was the King promised to Israel from among David's descendants.The Bible also calls him the God of Jacob (or Israel). He is also referred to as Son of God YAHWEY. I dont see any contradictions in this. And nothing stops me from accepting Jesus as my Lord and savior in my life. As I said before, don't read bits and pieces of the Bible or try to google stuff from the web to come up with such theories. Read the Bible.

White sepremacy by Jews ? This reads like the mollah pamplet of misinformation. You must be kidding . Hitler did not quote from the Bible to justify killing the jews. Is the Moslem arab janjaweed militia quoting from the Bible before killing black moslims in Darfur ? Did Arab slave traders quote from the Bible when they captured blacks as slaves or castrated them for use in harems ? Can you find even a single instance of Jesus promoting or even refering to slavery ? Where was the bible changed to support the superiority of fair skin ? Your claims dont hold water. Dont invent theories of jews of conspiring to enslave Gentiles spiritually and mentally. Jews are essentially a closed community in the sense you can only be a Jew by birth. They never aspired to convert others to Judaism.

The foundation of Christian faith is Jesus who was God in flesh and people who believed in him and confessed their sins got salvation and it does not conflict with the Bible in any way.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

What do you mean by "The disciples who were the most knowledgeable and the closest to Jesus departed from Paul when he came up with this concept" ? Where did you read it ? Here is the proof from the Holy Bible itself that the other disciples of Jesus openly confessed that he was God or the Son of God.

Matt. 16:16: Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matt. 28:19: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

John 1:49: Nathaniel answered him, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!"

John 6:68-69: Simon Peter answered him, "Lord to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal
life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God."

John 20:28: Thomas answered him[Jesus], "My Lord and my God!"

Acts 8:36-37: And as they went along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "See, here
is water! What is to prevent my being baptized?" And Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he replied, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 16:31: And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your house-hold."

1 Cor. 8:6: yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

1 Cor. 12:3: Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God ever says
"Jesus be cursed!" and no one can say "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor. 15:3-7: For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died
for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.

Phil. 2:6-11: who, though he was in the form of God, [he] did not count equality with God a thing to be
grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at
the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Tim. 3:16: Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

1John 4:2: By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.

Moslems try to discredit the divinity of Jesus because the koran falsely claims that Jesus was only a prophet and that he was not crucified. See koran sura 4:157 and sura 4:171 Damn it, your prophet even mistook Mary the mother of Jesus to Merriam the sister of Moses ! See koran sura 3:30 -31.Actually Imran or Amran(Jewish) was the father of Moses and Merriam. Mother Mary's father was Yoyakaim (Johakaim in English). Maybe your prophet made a mistake while pliagarising from the true Jewish and Christian holy scriptures. Koran sura 5:66 says that Taurat(Torah of the Jews) and Injeel( New Testament bible) were sent down from allah and moslems must believe in them. Caught by surprise eh ? If Torah and Bible are incorrect why the hell does koran ask you moslems to follow them ? And why does koran preach in contradiction to the Bible ? How can you believe in Koran and Mohammed and Allah since it has got inherent contradictions ? And this is just the tip of the ice berg , I can go on and on but I dont have the time or inclination to do so ....

My sincere advice to you is read the Bible once before you jump to hasty conclusions. Otherwise you will continue to come up with such ridiculous theories based on hearsay or false information and I will continue wasting my time trying to shoot them down .

Good Luck and end.

-Francis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

To my brothers and sisters in Christ,

We don't need to justify the existence of Jesus to the world, No shroud of Turin or no historian is needed to prove JESUS. He is the Son of the self existent one, YAHWEY. He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords for ever. His word is enough for us. Please read Bible verses in John Chapter 1. May His words become flesh in you.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Jn 1: 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jn 1: 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Jn 1: 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Jn 1: 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Jn 1: 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Jn 1: 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Jn 1: 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Jn 1: 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Jn 1: 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Jn 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Jn 1: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jn 1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
Jn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Jn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Jn 1:19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
Jn 1:20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
Jn 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
Jn 1:22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
Jn 1:23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
Jn 1:24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
Jn 1:25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
Jn 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Jn 1:27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
Jn 1:28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jn 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Jn 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Jn 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Jn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Jn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
Jn 1:35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
Jn 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Jn 1:37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
Jn 1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
Jn 1:39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
Jn 1:40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
Jn 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
Jn 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
Jn 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
Jn 1:44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Jn 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
Jn 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
Jn 1:48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
Jn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
Jn 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
Jn 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Your brother in Christ,

Francis

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