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Submitted by Fred Baehr (United States), Mar 24, 2011 at 17:14

Dear Mr. Pipes,

I respect your scholarship and admire your stance for rationalism, but in this case I have my doubts. Maybe I am a victim of my own prejudices because I must admit that in fact I despise Islam as just another tired form of fascism, and I don't use the term casually. In any case it seems to me that what a modern pluralist liberal humanist would call "rationalism" is all but impossible within the confines of Islam. One might try to say the same of Judaism and Christianity, but the melding of those two traditions eventually made way for the emergence of liberal humanism, and so I would not agree. Is it useful to ask why liberal humanism emerged in the west and not somewhere else? I think it is.

Liberal humanism was constructed in the west through a combination of the existing philosophic traditions of Judeo-Christian ethics and ancient Greek rationalism. Ethics developed by Jews and Christians were rationally expanded upon in an atmosphere of free inquiry that had itself been expanding in Europe since the 14th century. By the 18th century philosophic developments were being spurred on by the emergence of modern scientific inquiry, itself a result of the Greek tradition of seeing the world as a thing that could be understood rationally through observation, and most importantly, without mystical insight. European thinkers could then give unto the world what was the world's, and still give unto God what was God's. They were able to separate divine inspiration from physical science and in the process develop both traditions. It is said that religion is bad science and science is bad religion, and from the western point of view that assertion rings true.

So why didn't this way of thinking about the inalienable rights of individuals ever rise in other parts of the world? Why not in China where they had 2000 years to think about it? Why not in India, arguably the most philosophically dynamic civilization in the ancient world with a written scholarship going back at least 2000 years, with many humanitarian principles? I don't pretend to have the answers but the questions seem to beg answering.

As for Islam, it seems to me to be totalitarian by its very nature, and totalitarianisms are seldom sympathetic to free inquiry. How can a society supposedly guided by the unerring word of the only true God be open to openness? If the only true freedom is to be the slave of God, then that which would set man free is an entrapment, blasphemous and evil. Could Islam remain Islam in anything but name if it were to give up on its absolute claims to truth and righteousness? It seems to me the answer is no. So I doubt that the near future holds much promise for the expansion of liberty in the Islamic world. Religions in general are the most conservative philosophies known to man, and it has been ever thus. They conserve their traditions because to let them go is to admit that they may never have been and may not now be worthwhile, and believers are emotionally (rather than intellectually) attached in any case. So Islam, as an absolutist totalitarianism, will be very very slow to change or give its faithful anything like what modern liberal pluralists would call "freedom". Sorry I can't share your optimism.

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4Another parallel between communism and Islamic politics [118 words]PrashantMar 31, 2011 03:54183763
Change of heart by Lee Smith-Now claims Israel will thrive! [33 words]ShishirMar 31, 2011 00:35183759
8Doubtful [562 words]Fred BaehrMar 24, 2011 17:14183584
You are you [12 words]Firozali A.MullaMar 11, 2011 14:10183323
2A Drug called Hallucinating [105 words]Jay1Mar 3, 2011 18:30183133
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1acknowledging reality [27 words]gfmucciMar 2, 2011 22:16183120
3I wish I could share your optimism. [180 words]Peter HerzMar 2, 2011 20:17183119
3The Middle East Requires Optimism be Contrasted with Realism-The Practicality of Why Islam Cannot Relent is Still Obscured. [655 words]M. ToveyMar 2, 2011 18:12183116
3Very well said, Mr. Tovey - reality says otherwise ... [139 words]kmanMar 4, 2011 17:13183116
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5Optimism vs. the Paramount Issue [363 words]Prof. Paul EidelbergMar 2, 2011 03:45183095
1Prof. Eidelberg is correct [222 words]UgriMar 5, 2011 11:15183095
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1Thank you for your work [50 words]John in Michigan, USAMar 1, 2011 19:05183088
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14Tempered Optimism [421 words]Arn HatfieldMar 1, 2011 15:25183077
6Agreed [69 words]DanMar 3, 2011 15:50183077
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1Overly Optimistic Of You [43 words]Gary SackMar 1, 2011 14:45183076
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3And Compare the KNOW-NOTHING Disapproval of Congressman King's Hearing [271 words]Ron ThompsonMar 12, 2011 22:58183075
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Egyptian risks [55 words]PezDispenserMar 1, 2011 13:47183074
1But then there's the Lara Logan incident, among others ... [108 words]David KoralMar 1, 2011 12:32183073
1You're right, David: The Jews and America are still the enemy to them [29 words]Abu NudnikMar 2, 2011 16:40183073
1Details of the Lara Logan incident? [214 words]John in Michigan, USAMar 4, 2011 13:06183073
1Dominoes [125 words]David BrooksMar 1, 2011 09:19183070

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