Response to dhimmi/Islamist apologist Debanjan

Submitted by Shishir (United Arab Emirates), Jan 9, 2012 at 05:57

Debanjan: Then please answer me Mr. Shishir what happened so that now Muslims are again becoming more and more traditional again in Egypt ? Is it the formation of Israel which allowed Monotheistic teachings to be taken seriously again by the Egyptian Muslims and thereby turning to Allah in full force ? What in your view , that Muslims in Egypt did turn to Islam after the Western period ?

The Zionist Jews had very little to do with the belief system of later Egyptians. For one the Zionists were a largely non observant secular lot.Furthermore contrary to what you believe there were Jews in "Palestine" even after the Diaspora,Byzantine rule or Persian and Arab conquests.If they need to look to fervent religiosity they would need look no further than the Sephardic/Mizrahis among their midst.

You mentioned previously that you read Spengler.If you did you need not ask me why Egyptians turned religious with a vengeance.It is their simply inability to come to terms with modernity-Egyptians or other Arabs for that matter tried nationalism-fail.Tried pan Arab nationalism-failure again.Attempts at socialism-we all know how that went!So the Muslim groups made a persuasive though flawed argument that Arabs are backward and lose wars against infidels because they are not religious enough.After all Arabs were kicking a$$ and taking names shortly after Muhammads death from China to Spain.You couple that with petrodollars from the more observant GCC states and you have a thoroughly retrograde and regressive socio-political system.

Debanjan: Mr. Shishir , Muslims have every right to Moses , Mary and Jesus and all other Jewish prophets than any one else. Why do others want to steal Islam's prophets from the Muslims ?

I would like to enquire of your definition of right in this case? Do they have a right to invoke Moses as a prophet,even call him a Muslim,and derive inspiration from him and follow his example.Sure, but in that case Muslims would be Zionists hahaha!

OTOH do the Muslims have the right to claim that Moses was ONLY Muslim and that he was Jewish was a fraud perpetraed by Orthodox Talmudists?Then obviously no! You are clearly ignorant of the whitewashing of Judaic heritage and history by Muslims in the Quran.My point about my Egyptian visit, which obviously went over your head, is that Egyptians are perpetrating falsehoods and evasions but not mentioning Jewish history in Egypt .Now if you are one of those who believes that the Exodus did not occur since third party proof is not forthcoming,that is your business.However Egyptians being Muslims DO believe in the Exodus as its mentioned in the Quran.So by not mentioning it, they are being more anti Islam than anti Jewish!My point is Egyptians are thoroughly confused ,they on one hand want to take side of the Pharoah but OTOH Exodus obviously doesnt think highly of him

And whats this nonsensical claim about others "stealing from Muslims"? How do you steal a heritage?Please explain who are stealing Moses from Muslims.I hope you are not implying Jews.Even you Debanjan are not foolish enough to make such an assertion(I assume).Islam is the only religion that appropriates the prophets of preceeding religions and makes them its own.In the case of Jesus even indulging in bizarre revisionism that negates the Christian belief system.Now you tell me ,who stole from whom?

Debanjan: "Muslims who talk about destroying non-Godly strictures in the Muslim lands are following in the footsteps of the Jews and Christians. Do you not know that after conquering the Canan , Joshua did destroy temples of the Pagans there ? So you should also see the Muslim acts as a sort of following in the footsteps of the Jews."

Sure, being Hindu I am critical of this practice of destroying the religious sites of others.However thats the way they rolled in the ancient Near East as religion and politics were more intertwined in other cutlures.

So whats your point about Islam?Is it ok for Muslims to break other religious structures because Jews did it.I thought Islam was supposed to be more enlightened than Judaism.If Jews would jump of the Brooklyn bridge(or drown in the Mediterranean as your friends would prefer) should Muslims follow their lead? really want to compare religious structures destroyed by Jews vs those by Muslims?

Furthermore Israel had always very modest aspirations whose limits of their holy land was proscribed by their God.Islam being universal religion had no such restrictions.

QED

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