Dear Mr. Shishir

Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Jan 21, 2012 at 22:30

Shishir:You will forgive me if I dont take the word of a communist sympathizer like Steven Pinker at his word.

My Answer : Can you please cite some solid proofs to support your allegation. You know it is the very same Anglo-Saxon tradition , that you support so vehemontly , tells that a person is innocent unless proven guilty.

Anyways the thing to debate over here is whether Steven PInker is right in his views incriminating the establishments in Britan and USA regarding the overthrow of Mossadegh. Mr. Pinker's political affiliations hardly matters here.

Shishir: "I would like to remind you that the surveying,discovery,drilling and rigs and other infrastructure were done overwhelmingly by the British and this was at the invitation of Iranians"

My Answer: Can you please prove to me that Iranians did invite the British ? Is the Anglo-Saxon oil corporation bribing few gullible heads of Iranian tribesmen become an invitation from Iranian people to the British to exploit their resources ?

Let us consider the records of Anglo-Iranian oil company in Iran. At the time of nationalization there were no Iranian engineers or technicians or system architects in that refinery. The only Iranians who were present were impoverished drilling and rigging workers , payed at the lowest level of the hierarchy. Can you please explain why the British did not bother to train or teach any Iranians as engineers or system architects ? Do you think making the Iranian people unable to run their own industry in their land is also part of the services the British did to Iran ?

Now what about the balance sheets ? Do you know the British ensured that there were no Iranian board of directors present in the company ? Are you aware that Iranians did not have the right to audit any of the books of their own oil industry ? Are you aware that Iranians used to get less than a fifth of the total oil revenues from their own oil ? Are you aware that Iran could not consume a single drop of their own oil thereby ensuring no non-oil industry were established in Iran during the said period.

Shishir : You think that with just one phone call to Stalin as you put it,the Soviets would send in the cavalry?Even if he wanted to(which you claim is the reason that he hadnt) ,that wouldnt happen!

My Answer : Owwww , and what exactly would stop Stalin from fulfilling the wish of Mossadegh had he made it in this case ? I am eagerly waiting for your answer here.

Anyways I am still waiting for your arguments proving Mossadegh was a Soviet sympathizer.

Shishir: I would like to remind you that the surveying,discovery,drilling and rigs and other infrastructure were done overwhelmingly by the British and this was at the invitation of Iranians.

My Answer : Are you aware of that the Chinese are talking about shoring up investments for infrastructure improvements in UK ? I am extending your above logic to say that all the money that the Chinese will be putting in UK should be completely owned by the Chinese. The Chinese would have absolute monopoly over the percentage of profits that would generate from this. There will be no non-Chinese labor , worker , engineer or architect employed in these projects and no Brit will be allowed to check the books. No British can be part of the board of directors of the projects. The running of the infrastructure and deciding of the toll taxes will rest with the Chinese and no Chinese citizen working for the projects in Britain should come under the jurisdiction of British law.

If you support the working of the Anglo-British in Iran then you should also support the stipulations regarding Chinese investment in UK infrastructure . Right ?

Shishir:Your naivete is laughable.Just because something swears on the Quran why does that preclude him from being a Soviet sympathizer?

My Answer : Ohh , now I have someone calling Mossadegh a person , "something". What should I call it ? Extreme creative efforts of your brain or just pen mistake ?

Anyways , so even if we consider Mossadegh was a Soviet sympathizer , does that make it legitimate for UK and USA to overthrow him and replace him with a puppet tyrant ?By your own logic then considering the number of pro-Israel and anti-Islam politicians in UK and USA , it is high time that the Iranians try to throw out the existing systems in USA and UK and replace these with more democratic and Islamophile and Iranophile regimes , right ? I am just extending your logic further.

Shishir: Britian had protected Iran from Soviet aggression

My Answer : Ohhh then when the where were the British when the Soviets decided to invade and conquer the whole of Northern Iran during the second World war ? Was it also part of British plan for Iran ?

Shishir: said the West didnt encourage the invasion but once it did go through it tried to make the best of the situation by bleeding both Arab and Iranian despots while keep the oil prices stable.

My Answer : Now tell me then why did Saddam not attack Iran when the Shah was in power ? Iraqis were having plenty of troubles over the waters of Shatt-AL-Arab as well as some border territories with the Iranians when the Shah was in power and Iraq and Iran almost went to war during 1974-75.

The Shah had provided support to the secular Peshmerga Kurdish guerillas in Iraq fighting the Bathist rule over there. But the Iranian Islamic republic had not done so.Whether you are aware of or not initially even Saddam had praised the Iranian revolution as both he and the Islamic revolutionaries had a common enemy , the secular Shah.

So tell me then why did Iraq exactly showed up the courage to attack Iran when Islamic republic came into being and did not attack when the Shah was in power ? It is clear that the US assistance to Shah had ensured Saddam fell in line. Only after Saddam was given assurances that US will not come into the help of the Islamic republic as they had come into the support of the Shah , he could conjure up the courage to attack the Islamic republic.

Shishir: Hahahahaha!From one crackpot notion(Islam brining people together) to another!! Abrahamia indeed

My Answer : People laughed at Hertz and others also regarding their dreams of a Zionist Utopia. I am hopeful that ultimately people in the region will realize that being divided from each other because of nationalistic and exceptionalist ideologies will not be good for their own advancements and developments. That will be the time when you will see my ideas becoming reality.

Shishir: Arab secular rulers like Gaddhafi,Saddam,Hosni et al hoarded their nations wealth and stored it away

My Answer: Owwww , now then why the West encourages them by allowing them to hoard their ill-gotten wealth into safe Western bank accounts ? It is really one year after the beginnings of the Arab Spring yet I have not seen a single report in the World media where any Western pundit have talked about giving back the Arab masses their wealth which were stolen from them by these tyrannical leaders.

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