Changing the Goal Post

Submitted by BB King (United States), Jan 11, 2012 at 19:10

Ianus wrote

<"You must be a very poor in spirit person if you can't see this obvious point, namely that denying Christ's existence doesn't change that much. It doesn't abolish or even undermine the moral ideas of Christianity and the last 2000 years of our written history shaped by them.">

Secularism is superior to Christianity, Islam and other religions. Did your Jesus have a role to play in that? I don't think so. The Enlightenment did.

<"What I can clearly see though in front of me is a cultural nihilist, a dogmatic person,visibly unaware of what foundations our civilization have been built upon and happy to deny the person that have contributed so much to its construction">

I don't know about you but my civilization i.e., the U.S. was built on the foundation of secularism and the Constitution. Not Jesus. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life. The First Amendment said Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion and Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

So there is a basic contradiction between Jesus and the Constitution.

<"And what is your point? That you're the Law , you know the Law or that the Law bought in America by different lobbies to promote their narrow interests makes you superior to the rest of mankind and gives you a right to be a judge while you're in fact just an interested party to the lawsuit?">

No it's called the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. All countries that voted in favor of the Declaration should abide by its rules. You initially said that America should not judge Poland and quoted Jesus in saying He who is without sin should cast the first stone (paraphrase). But two wrongs i.e., a wrong committed by Poland and a wrong committed by U.S. do not make a right. If America finds that Poland has done something wrong it should say so and vice-versa.

<"I case you don't realize what your own source says , then it reveals high treason committed by the Tatars whom our president and you flatter so impudently. They defected to the enemy during a bloody war with the Turk, they looted our territory, killed and hunted our people to sell them into slavery.">

This is called "changing the goal posts." Recall that you initially asked me how many Tatars fought in the Gates of Vienna? I simply provided an answer to this question and this question only. Many Tatars indeed fight in the Gates of Vienna and they were rewarded by King John III. Furthermore, if Tatars indeed committed treason in Polish history then they have also shed their lives for the defense of Poland in many of Poland's wars as the source states.

<"while in fact it did destroy Hellenism,now demands "links,books and other forms of documentation" where just basic common sense and the most rudimentary knowledge of history will do. Do you really believe you're a serious person?">

I will take that reply as you will not provide me with links, books and documentation to counter my assertion that Muslims indeed embraced Hellenism at one point. Are you afraid of something Ianus? I assure you that I don't bite. At least I backed up my "absurd" statements with a link, which you to this day did not refute.

<"As to "an English source", thanks to "Google Translate" tool any non-English source, including Ferdinand Gregorovius, can become understandable to you.">

If you watched the debate between Dhimmi No More and Amin carefully you would've noticed that Google Translate does a shoddy job in translating Arabic. Why should I trust it with German?

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