The long version

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 22, 2015 at 10:10

Our dear Jamil is neither funny nor original and I really feel sorry for you

This is what I wrote

Our dear Jamil edited my post as usual wrote And here is from not one but two dictionaries English/Arabichttp://www.wordreference.com/enar/receiptI wrote And here is another dictionaryhttp://en.bab.la/dictionary/english-arabic/receipt

And this is his answer

This "dictionary" also says the following:Is a certain translation missing here? Let us know or submit your own translation below.You used an editable online dictionary.

Sure that is what a dictionary is all about it is about collecting words in a language at a point in time. I told you you and I can write an Urdu dictionary

You are either a lazy couch potato

You are not even funny

or you just couldnt find any other dictionary to support your claim that: istilaam means receipt!

I never wrote that Istilam means receipt you are a careless writer

You must pardon me but you are a poorly educated person

And this is our dear Amin's answer

You are pardoned,

You not funny how many times do i have to tell you that?

but go on lets hear you...

So what was deleted here? Swearing again? Oh I see you are frustrated right?

but ... they are asking you to comment Oh let me guess you cannot comment becuase you are ignorant right? Go and tell them that the Arabic word for Receipt is not Wasl or Isal and it is Istilam and you will be making a fool of yourself Why are you making a fool of yourself? Tell me I challenge you to post

I don't need to waste my time doing any such thing.

But you posted here at danielpipes.org so what is the difference? Oh let me guess your Arab masters will be making fun of you and your ignorance of the Arabic language right?

You see I was expecting a strong case from you to show that istilaam does not and cannot mean receipt

Poor education again. It is he who has a claim is the one that must provide the evidence to support such claim

We kuffar ask for evidence and I helped you by providing you with links to dictionaries including Lisan al-Arab but your real problem is that you cannot read Arabic right?

Your starting point is the bogus: If Hans Wehr the Grand Grammarian (which is really stupid remark) says so then it must true and this is what poor madrassa education is all about

but your replies have not been worthy.

I will leave this to the readers to judge

I have a few other dictionaries, by Moslems,

Where are they? And did you check the 5 links to five Arabic/Arabic dictionaries including Lisan al-Arab that I provided you with? But you clearly cannot read Arabic

I was waiting to bring them into light but there really is no point as you haven't got over the first hurdle yet. Anyways (sic)...

I read this as you really have nothing to add and if you did you would have provided links to such dictionaries written by "Moslems"

Now why is dhimmi "the arabic expert" using editable online dictionaries. Straight to the trash can with this.

Oh i see you realized that the words Wasl and Isal really mean RECEIPT right?

And for you disciples who have probably figured what is going on you know very well that these two words Wasl and Isal were not in question so there is no need to bring them into the equation.

Hello: the words for RECEIPT in Arabic are Wasl and Isal and not Istilam and Wasl Istilam means the RECEIPT OF RECEIVING and you are really ignorant

I rest my case

Why the lies? But you know what? your Arab masters have a wonderful saying that the ultimate liar is: الذي يكذب ويصدق كذبته! Oh الذي يكذب ويصدق كذبته? Go and ask the falafel guy or your stupid Mullah if he knows Arabic

And this is our dear Amin's answer

I'm still waiting for a list of these Arab masters of mine

Oh let me see Hazarat (ROTFL) Muhammad, babbling 'Aisha and Omar, as per Shia Muslims, the sodomite would you like me to continue?

who you seem to know more about than me and if you can't provide such a list then its straight to the trash can with this and what a waste of forum space.

I see you have nothing more to say

Lets move on.

Move on? To Pakistan? If so then good riddance

But the word استلام means RECEIVING it does not mean receipt

This is his flawed response

Then you better write to the editors of Hans Wehr because on page426,I had a valid point and I was being serious but anyways (sic)...

How many times do I have to tell you that you can only have a valid point if you check with the editors of the dictionary and ask these two questions

1. What is the meaning of the word receipt

2. Where is the evidence from Kutub al-Turath that the word receipt really means istilam

Do you get it or are you that slow?

You must pardon me ... it is who has a claim must be the one that provides the evidence to support his claim which means that it is YOU that should ask the editor of Hans Wehr dictionary: how did Hans Wehr come to the conclusion that one of the 4 MEANINGS (and you did not mention three of them)

This is our dear Jamil's answer

I didn't need to as they were not in contestion

This is why I keep telling you that you are a poorly educated man and you are not very honest

is receipt and all we kuffar can do is to reject his claims until we examine the evidence but fools like you must demand to know how did the editors of the dictionary come to this conclusion and in the meantime we kuffar make fun of you

This is his answer

Thank you for that important bit of info but lets get over it and moving on...

You have no clue do you?

But wait you believe that an Arabian deity spoke to an Arabian warlord via an angel I see you believing any nonsense

And this is his answer

Ye of little faith?

But wait Allah spoke to me too and I have a book for you would you believe and if not as you should so why would you believe Abul Qasim aka Quthm or what ever his name was? Tell me!

I agree that an Arabian diety speaking to an Arabian warlord via an angel is complete nonsense. Now moving on...

Not it is not nonsense because it is what Islam is all about

Now do you get it?

On a serious point you have not proved that istilaam does not and cannot mean receipt!

I told you not once but several times that your Arab masters call a paper receipt: Wasl and Isal and a wasl or isal can be called WASL ISTILAM or the receipt of receiving

And this is why Ibn Manzur provides an Isnad to support any meaning for any word in Lisan al-Arab so it is you that has to contact Hans Wehr and tell them to povide you with al-Isnad to support such claim. All we kuffar can do is to make fun of you and your likes

You are a poorly educated man

Like Ibn Manzur and the Moslems I presume even though you have just quoted his dictionary

Again your poor education is a problem we kuffar read your sources in Arabic because this is how we can learn

You? you pretend to know Arabic when you do not and I call this delusional and get some help for it

they have listed استلام as "receipt" and here is the link for those of you that want to check it for yourselves:https://archive.org/details/Dict_Wehr.pdf

Can you tell the readers word for word what does your idol Hans Wehr the "Grand Poobah" I mean "Grand Grammarian" (which is a stupid remark) tell us about the meaning of the word Istilam every word!

Fine, I'll reword this as well: Hans Wehr the ARABIST

Oh so he is not the Grand Poobah of all the grammarians anymore I see

says that ISTILAAM means RECEIPT. Happy now?

You proved my point that you are dishonest and good education is about finding the truth and not on being a blatant liar

Now read 'em and weep and make sure you do report back.

You are not even funny or original.

I'm not trying to be funny

You are not funny

and I am original.

No you are a poorly educated man

Oh you did not answer my question: I understand that our dear Amin reverted back to Hinduism is that true?

Yeah I think it is true,

So what happend to our dear Amin?

are you ok with the Hindus?

Are you OK with Hidnus our dear Jamil?

Is it just the Moslems that bother you?

And is it just the Hindus, Jews, Christians, atheists, gays, women, polytheists, Buddhists, Jains and the rest of humanity that are not followers of the religion of the Arabs bother you and your Allah?

Leave islam and get some better education and no it is not too late to teach an old and you must pardon me dog new tricks

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