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What comes AFTER the Muslims is far more horrible.Reader comment on item: Another Voice Predicting Islamism's Doom Submitted by Michael S (United States), Jul 22, 2016 at 20:51 Hi, Lynn. You probably know that I love civil discussions of the Bible. For the viewing audience, Let's post what the Bible says about the "Pale Horse": Rev.5 Rev.6 [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth... [5] And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse... [7] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. Just to confirm that the pale horse called "Death" is among us, or in the starting gate, let me recap the times of the other "horses" 1. The white, conquering horse: He operated during a period of world conquest; and the greatest period of conquest in the history of the world was the Colonial period that ended with World War II. 2. The red horse, that took peace from the earth, probably describes the Cold War, when the "Reds", or Communists, went about fomenting revolutions from China to Cuba to Mozambique; and when the world began to be concerned about a planet-destroying, nuclear war. 3. The black horse came after that, after the demise of the Soviet Union and the unofficial "end" of the Cold War. The nature of this horse and his rider has been to create tremendous inequality in the world, with the rich getting continually richer and the poor getting poorer. I believe we are still in the "black horse" era. You are suggesting that the "pale" horse (the Greek word is "xloros", which literally means "green") represents Islam; though the Bible itself say is represents "death" and "the grave". If we are moving into a new era, which we seem to be, what seems to be in store for us is "killing" in general: killing by the sword, by death (perhaps this means "disease", such as HIV/AIDS and Ebola) and by literally "terrifying beasts" -- which includes the likes of crocodiles, poisonous snakes and the like. With situations happening in Africa and the Middle East today, we may already be entering into this period -- and note that the Muslims are not directly implicated by the scriptures; though they certainly have been playing their part. Before I speculate, however, I want to peek ahead at what the coming "fifth seal" is about, the one that is opened after the "horsemen" have done their work: Rev.6: What do you say about that? It talks about the killing of men for their "testimonies", and for the word of God. That word "testimony", in the Greek of the Bible, is "marturian", akin to the Christian word "martyr" (not the Islamic "shahid", which speaks of something very different). The translation of the noun form of the word is "witness", as in "the two witnesses" of Revelation. I'll let you sort out for yourself, who you think those two "witnesses" are; but the "fifth seal" passage seems to indicate it is the martyrs who are going around preaching and otherwise standing for the Word of God. That sounds an awful lot to me like both the Christians and the Jews; and their enemies are not just the Muslims. Their greatest enemies, in fact, are the atheistic powers such as those that rule the European Union, those who are continually helping the Muslims attack Israel. I'm getting ahead of myself here, of course, talking about the FIFTH seal instead of the fourth. Yes, I think that pale or green horse is somehow connected with the Muslims; and they seem to be no strangers to the art of propagating death. Still, they are a mere "irritant", when compared to what will come after them: the persecution of Israel AND the church (as in "two" witnesses) by the atheist Western Powers. That is why I called the Muslims a mere "irritant". Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments". Reader comments (63) on this item
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