To Shakeel: Allah has made us into prer-programmed zombies!

Submitted by Plato (United Arab Emirates), Jun 26, 2007 at 04:31

Shakeel I have not come across a better example of Islamic thought processes. You seem blissfully unaware of the dogmatism, fallacies and contradictions of what you have written. You wrote:

"---Allah never goes against His promise and He has said this in Quran many times.---"

You have simply restated what you said in your previous post. I could also cut and paste my reply but I have tried to elaborate a little more with the hope I have made myself clearer.

You could have spelled out some of those promises which Allah has allegedly given. That statement of yours about Allah sounds a bit like 'I never go against my promises and I have said so many times'. Almost all of Allah's promises have to do with the afterlife on which I am unwilling to wager even a penny. His other promises have to do with giving Muslims booty in the form of land, treasures and women and slaves:

PICKTHAL 48:20-21:Allah promiseth you much booty that ye will capture, and hath given you this in advance, and hath withheld men's hands from you, that it may be a token for the believers, and that He may guide you on a right path. And other (gain), which ye have not been able to achieve, Allah will compass it, Allah is Able to do all things.

What more can Muslims want from Allah? But that last boast of Allah about being able to do all things rings hollow today. His followers are among the most miserable lot on earth except for those who live among unbelievers.

Also from what I can recollect, many of those promises have to do with threatening people who refuse to believe in Him with all kinds of tortures. And where He promises rewards but He hedges it by saying something like 'if it pleases Him'. But there is one case where He binds himself to give you paradise:

9:111 GOD has bought from the believers their lives and their money in exchange for Paradise. Thus, they fight in the cause of GOD, willing to kill and get killed. Such is His truthful pledge in the Torah, the Gospel, and the Quran - and who fulfills His pledge better than GOD? You shall rejoice in making such an exchange. This is the greatest triumph.

Those suicide bombers and plane crashers did rejoice in such an exchange and now they must be lolling around in triumph in Allah's paradise. Allah never goes against his promise does He, ever?? Let me guess your answer. These verses are meant only for the time of the Prophet. Now we have three more verses to flush down the context drain.

"---He promised the He will forgive and reward the righteous people and punish the wrong doers. But some people have misconception they think their righteousness can save them from Allah's accountability. This itself is an evil and unrighteous thinking and Allah warns people to have such mentality.---"

This little bit of Islmaic theology went a little above my head. If righteousness cannot save people from Allah what else can? Is Allah having a game with us promising rewards and punishment when he already knows what our fates are?

"---Allah knows what you are going to do because of His perfect knowledge, but you don't know what you are going to do in future. And also Allah has given you a power to choose whatever way you would like to. But again, Allah knows what you are going to choose.---"

Shakeel, please read what you have written again carefully. Especially read the bit about 'Allah has given you the power to choose' and in the next breath you say Allah knows what your going to choose. What kind of power to choose is it that I have when I also know that whatever I do is already a fixed reality in Allah's mind. Does it not mean that whatever I do or think is already written down in Allah's mind? If I know or believe that bit of nonsense about anyone already knowing what I am going to do I would lie, cheat, rob, kill, or rape with gay abandon for I know that whatever I do is already foreordained. Shakeel show me why I should not.

"---In short, Allah knows our final abode, but we don't know our final abode. So we should be doing good deeds because only those people do good deeds who are going to go in heaven and we should not do evil deeds, because only those people do evil deeds who are going to go in hell.---"

Reading that I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Why should I do good deeds when I know that if I do bad deeds it is because I was programmed to do them since you say Allah already knows our final abode.

Let me repeat that in different words. Allah knows my final abode even before I was born. Allah tells me in the Koran that He already knows my final abode. I believe in the Koran. As already known to Allah I hate a lot of people at the university at which I study. I buy a machine gun and mow down thirty on the campus. I shoot myself. I wake up where I am fated to wake up, in hell.

Shakeel feel free to shoot down that neighbour of yours who has been throwing his garbage on your pathway. Be happy, that is what you were fated to do.

If that made any sense to you, you will also understand that doing charity or helping a blind old lady cross the street are valueless actions as you were bound to do it, being already etched in Allah's all-knowing mind.

I almost always end up pulling out my hairs trying to make Muslims understand why the existence of an omniscient deity makes us all no better than pre-programmed zombies. I will keep trying till I am completely bald.

Plato

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