I agree with you: there are no Moderate Muslims.

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), May 8, 2007 at 07:38

Noah: I agree with you that there no such thing as "moderate" in Islam and there is nothing moderate about Islam. What is really strange is that I have no clue what is the definition of: What is really a moderate muslim! I even say that you can be a Muslim or not period and it is because Islam has very serious structural flaws as a religion where a Mulism has to select between being a Muslim or a moderate but he/she cannot be both. Now these serious structural flaws in Islam are:

1. Historians of early Islam view Islam as the end product of the sectarian debates that pre-occupied the great civilizations of the Middle East in the late antique period (see Wansbrough SM) and yes you are reading it right as this means that Islam is the product of Persians and Mesopotamians and the rule of the Arabs in islam was marginal at best and that the Arab polity that invaded the Middle East had no defined religion and for reasons we still do not understand the Arab polity selected Islam that was still emeging from such debates but this detaches islam from Arabia and the Qur'an from Muhammad!. I'm not telling you any thing new here.

This very well explains all these silly polemics that pre-occupy Allah and his rasul (eg: the silly pre-occupation of the Qur'an with the Trinty, the blatant anti-Jewish Quranic diatribes, the anti-polytheism) This means that you cannot be a good Muslim unless you belittle the believes of others and declare that Islamic tawheed (unity of Allah) is the only to get to Allah's paradise. This also means that there is no place for secularism (3ulmaniya) in an Islamic country and with no secularism there will be no democracy.

2. The in-equality of Muslims and non Muslims is a basic foundation of Islam so a good Muslim must treat non Muslims as unequals

3. The in-equality of men and women

4. And yes as Fred Halliday has pointed out that Islam is anti-reason and anti-human I will leave those two fault lines out of this debate.

You see if you are a good Muslim you must believe and follow the above flaws without any questioning. This also means that there is no such thing as moderate Muslim. You are either a Muslim or not.

I know the question would be how about the likes of Ali Dashti in Shi3a Islam and Farag Foda in Sunni Islam? I believe that both were indeed rare exceptions and they were both killed by Muslim nuts

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