al-Ruum in the Qur'an and our dear Deb

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 25, 2010 at 17:57

Our dear Deb who does not read real books of history and believe s the bogus Islamic historical tradition with out any real doubt about the veracity of such tradition

But again if you our dear deb believe that an Arabian warlord and caravan riader spoke to an Arabian deity via an angel then you can believe anything

>Let us see your points one by one. You want to mention that the Byzantines and Persians never bothered about the prophet.

I never said that: al-ruum wa al-majus had no interest in al-Hijaz because it was poor and barren and how can they "bother" some one who did not even exit?This is no extant historical evidence that your so called prophet even existed

And you know what? wars are about looting and there was no loot in al-Hijaz now do you get it?

For the readers even the bogus so called Meccan tarde never existed because there is no extant evidence to support that there was indeed Meccan Trade and if it did exist then how come it just disappeared after the Arab invasion of the Middle East? and if Mecca was such a rich mercantile city then why did Mu3awiyya select Damascus as his capital and not Mecca? could it be because Mecca and Meccan tarde was a late invention of the 3Abbassids? And how come no one in the Middle East following the Arab invasion said: Oh those Arabs are the followers of Muhammad al-tajir? And do you know why? Because there was no Muhammad and there was no Meccan Trade

>See it is completely inaccurate the historical part you are playing up.

We shall see

>Remember the tribe of Ghassan ?

So?

>That was a proxy group employed by the Byzantine empire to enforce it's will upon the people in the Arab world.

And so were al-lakhmid who clients of the Persians as you are a client of your Arab masters right? But so what? what does this have to do with Muhammad that never existed?Surpise me with an answer

>Another point the whole middle east was effected at the time by the frequent wars between the Byzantine and Persian empires.

So? So where is your evidence as in extant evidence that al-Ruum or al-Majus were a threat to your so called prophet?

Let me help you: there is none

>The Muslims made (sic) the Middle east peaceful by defeating both the empires.

Hello: they invaded the Middle East and they were imperialists they destroyed and raped and collectd slaves and money do you want me to go on and on? and why did they not head back to Arabia?

>Remember the prophet invited both the rulers of Byzantine and Persia to Islam.

Really? where is your evidence? Let me help you the story of the letters as you shall see in the story of Mariyya al-Qibtiyya is no more than a bogus qissa! Oh qissa? you can ask the moron mr Naik

Oh and his brother's name is Naik Muhammad! ROTFL do you know what your Arabs masters will read his name as; The act of sexual intercourse with Muhammad! See what happens when you become the victim of a foreign culture and language?

>The war came only after these rulers who were egoistic and blind by their sense of power , rejected the invitation of prophet.

Where is your evidence? And you know our kuffar rule: If you do not have evidence then you shut up

Now for the readers:

The Qur'an a book that our dear Deb al-tablighee cannot read in Arabic says

ghulibati al-rrummu fi adna al-ard wa hum min ba3da ghulbuhum sayasghlibuun

1. ghulibat means defeated

But wait this words rasm is GHLBT which can also be read as ghalabit by adding a fatha above the gheen and a fatha above the lam and a kasra below the beh et voila it would mean won so did the greeks win? Oh more later

Oh I forgot the Ulama edited your Allah's little book by adding a damma above the gheen and a kasra under the beh and a fatha above the beh and a kasra below the teh! what a fadiha or scandal and so much for the unedited Qur'an

2. al-ruum means the Greeks but not in Arabic as this is a perfect Syriac word and it is from Syriac rommaye so why would your Allah use a perfect Syriac word after all we have perfect Arabic words for the Greeks

al-yunaniyuun or al-ighreeq

Any guesses our dear Deb al-tablighee? Unless Allah was a Syrian

3. fa adna al-ard means in the near land

For the readers this is the usual Quranic gobbledygook we have no clue what this near land means

4. wa hum means and they

5. min ba3di ghalabihim means after their defeat

But we can also read the rasm of GHLBHM as GhuLBuHuM or their win

6. sayaghliboona or they will win

But wait the rasm SYGHLBYN can also be read as SaYuGHLaBuNa or they will be defeated

7. Notice that your Allah does not say anything about al-majuus or the Persians not a single word

7. And i can read this aya as

The Greeks won in the near land (and this is indeed correct as they won as you shall see below) and after there win they were defeated (and this is indeed what happens as they won the war with the Persians but lost the war with the Arabs right our dear al-tablighee?

But you see if your Allah would have said

The Greeks were defeated by the Persians and they will defeat them then they will be defeated by the Arabs your Allah would be correct So much for the Qur'an

8 For the readers: the Persians invaded the Byzantine Empire in 616CE (oh darn it CE I must be a Zionist oh well) and occupied even all of Egypt

But they were defeated by the Greeks in a decisive battle in Upper Mesopotamia in 622CE! and this is indeed the year of the take over of the local Arab polity of the civilized Middele east and the begining of the Arabian dating system which much later becomes Islamic. Now you have the answer to why your masters the Arabs did not start the moon god dating system from 610Ce as would have been expected and the story of the so called al-hijra is no more than a qissa

9. The final evacuation of the Persians from Egypt was in 628CE a very important year when it comes to those bogus letters of your so called prophet

10. Notice that the Perians did not invade al-Hijaz in 616CE when they could have so were they a threat to your so called prophet?

11. Notice that the Greeks did not invade al-Hijaz after they won the was against the Persians in 622CE so why would they have been a threat mr ignorant? any guesses?

12. And my reading of the aya is more correct when compared with the ulama because

The Greeks won the war against the Persians that you cannot even find their name in the aya

Then they were defeated by your Arab masters

Right mr ignorant?

So much for the book of Allah and so much for the unedited Qur'an and so much for the claim that the Qur'an is a kitab mubeen maktuub bi 3arabi faseeh

So you see your claim is bogus that Muhammad (if he existed) wanted his minions to invade the Byzantine and Sassanid Empire because they were a threat to his little sultanate

Oh stay tuned for the crusaders both of the Muslim persuation and the Christians

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