Reply to DNM

Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), Jul 6, 2010 at 02:21

DNM the slave of the AIPAC is trying to set his own rules when it comes to proving the authenticity of the letters of the Prophet Mohammad to the Byzantine and Persian emperrors.

Let me tell you then I also have my own rules. Following will not be allowed as sources of evidence :

1. Any mention or reference from Hoyland Survey

2. Any mention or reference from Gerd Puin

3. Any mention from any Islamophobe and anti-semitic (here I mean anti-Arab) sources like Ba'at Yeor , Ayan Hirsi Ali , Ibn Warraq , Robert Spencer , Hugh Fitjerald , Pamella Geller , Nonie Darwish , Lisa Daftari , Mark Steyn , Barnard Henry Levy , Taslima Nasrin and Salman Rushdie.

Following will be accepted :

1. Reference from real historians like Karen Armstrong , John Esposito and others.

2. Reference from Edward Gibbon's works.

3. Any other authentic Islamic source.

I would prefer for using English sources since I do not know Arabic or Syrian languages.

But the Qur'an says that Jesus is God would you like to know more? Then ask.

>My Answer : Yah , prove it to me.

I'm gald you did and I did prove it to you before but the Qur'an that you cannot read in Arabic says

1. Jesus created life by breathing air into clay birds albeit biidhin allah right our dear deb? And I'm sure that the only thing that can create a life must be a God then congratulations our dear deb but 3Issa or yasoo3 al-maseeh or Jesus is really your allah. Oh the bidihin Allah? Well you see our dear deb your Allah tells you to go out and spread his religion and to qatil fi sabeel allah? How come Allah cannot do that and he has to ask mere human beings like you to qatil fi sabilihi? So what is wrong if one of allah's aqaneem ask another uqnoom for help? You tell us our dear deb!

My Answer : Quran supports the claim of what you mention (remember your Bible also do not support that) but hey Quran does not tell Jesus is God. You are just showing one example from Quran and trying to intepret it in your own way for justifying it .Remember to be God you must fulfill certain criterias to be God.

Here are four below criterias :

1. You must not have any beginning or any end.To make it easy you shall not be born or you shall not die. Does Jesus satisfy that ?

2. You must not be limited to any particular place in the earth , i.e. you should be able to move everywehre at the earth. Can Jesus do that ?

3. You must not be bound by anything that mortals feel bounded to . Jesus supposedly loved his disciples so that is too human , for my viewpoint.

4. You can not be compared to anything on heaven on earth. Allah is incomparable. Can Jesus or any human being for that matter satisfy that ?

2. Jesus did not die and Allah al-makkar (he who decieves) rafa3ahu ila al-sama' which means that yasoo3 al-maseeh aka 3Issa aka Jesus did not die and I'm sure you agree with me that the only one that does not die is god therefore I must conclude that Jesus is your Allah

My Answer : I have given you my four criterias. If Jesus or anyone for that matter satisfy those criterias then I have no problem in accepting his or her as Allah.

3. Jesus cured the leper and the blind and we know for a fact that Jesus was no doctor and 2000 years ago the only one that can do such tasks must be god therefore Jesus must be your Allah

My Answer : There were multiple faith healers before , during and after the time of Jesus. And there were many doctors during the time of Jesus.Moses made many miracles which were also remarkable. So do you want to tell that Moses was also a God ?

As per as the miracles of Jesus Moses and other prophets are concerend they were able to perform miracles since Allah wanted them to perform those miracles. They did not have any power over those miracles.

4. Allah is makkar therfore he can have aqaneem right? Then Jesus must have been one of his aqaneem! Oh and Jesus cannot be god because of the lame excuse that he ate food right? Well Jesus aka Allah is makkar then he can pretend to eat food when he is not eating right our dear Deb? Then congratulations our dear deb but the qur'an says that jesus is really your Allah

Sorry I'm not the author of this poor theology

My Answer : You are again interpreting the things in an incorrect way. Allah indeed deceives but he deceives only those who are trying to harm the messengers of Allah. Allah does not need to deceive his loyal servants. No where in Quran it is mentioned that Jesus ate to deceive people.

5. Oh I forgot the Tirnity: Your Allah says that the trinity is Jesus Allah and Mary and that it is wrong right our dear Deb? But wait: Christians tell us that their Trinity is God, Jesus and the holy spirit right? But it seems that Allah never tell us that such Trinity is wrong! So I must assume that your Allah has no difficulty with the Trinity as defined by Christians

My Answer : Show me the exact chapter in Quran (the translation of Picthall is preferred) where it is mentioned that the trinity is Jesus Allah and Mary.

Freedom to think and debate is what this great civilization is all about

My Answer : OKK , remember Gallileo. He used his freedom to think beyond the imaginations of his world and what did your western civilization did to him ? Even now look what happens to people in west like Noam Chomsky , Norman Finkelstein and Tariq Ramadan when they use their freedom to think in the ways they believe is truthful. So much for freedom to think and debate.

My Answer : Too bad , if I contact some of your friends in the Bible belt that this crusader Dhimmi no more does not care about Jesus , you know what is going to happen to you , right ?

Oh sure go for it and I do challenge you to do so But you know what? You are not even original

My Answer : Answer me this simple question can you survive in the Bible belt if you deny Jesus ?

Vanunu broke the law and here in the west you pay when you break the law

My Answer : Which law did Vanunu Broke , can you kindly specify. I do not know whether he broke any law. Wait a minute , your ex-president G.W. Dubya lied to the world about WMD-s in Iraq. Now I think telling lies while being the president of the USA is considered breaking the law , right. But nothing happened to him. So what happened to your statement "in the west you pay when you break the law".

Wait a minute. I forgot that Vanunu was a non-Askhenaji Jew. Was that the matter that he got jailed for being a non-Askhenaji Jew ?

> By your own logic , the founding fathers of the USA are world's biggest imperialists since they annihilated and destroyed the millions of native Americans to build the USA . Now are you ashamed of that ?

Oh sobhanallah a tablighee who worries about al-hunud al-humr

My Answer : I understand now that you do not have any answers for that. You accept that your founding fathers were the biggest mass murderers in history.

And it was the muslims that killed 90M of your own people the Hindus remember?

My Answer : What is the proof of that ? Show me the proof .

>Remember the USA alike Greece and Rome are founded on greed , violence and mass murder

My Answer : Hey we are talking about Western Civilization not Arabs right ? Do you accept that Western Civilization was based upon greed , violence and mass murder or not ?

> slave of AIPAC ?

Better than being a slave of CAIR

My Answer : SO , finally you admit that you are an AIPAC slave.

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