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Submitted by Robert (United States), Sep 26, 2022 at 18:55

Dear Dr. Daniel Pipes,

I am no expert on your ideology regarding regarding the Middle East. Rather I discovered that i agreed with most of your views on the subject as well as your expertise on Islam as well as Islamism, especial after Bernard Lewis was no longer alive and Edward Said's Islamism to over the American academy.

Perhaps you recall, one of the few issues that I was confused about is your use of the term Victory, whether you used it literally or metaphorically. In that regard, as in all, wars rather than struggle, the military "front" has to identified. And there was non regarding Israel that you or I identified.

I understand you now much better mostly because historical conditions have ripened and you wrote a "pamphlet" on Victory recently elsewhere.

Now to my specific question regarding your blog here. In all you articled posted, You added, dated, new facts and views that support your position. However, at some point you decide to call these entries at the bottom "UPDATES." So may question is simply to explain this difference?

For me your term has switched to it's military sense after Russia invaded Ukraine because it signal the possible end of the current "war between wars." And that requires one to identify the (military) enemies. In that regard I would now say that the enemies, or enemy, is most of the hole world as reflected in the votes by the member states in the General Assembly of the UN (not the Security Council. Further, the actual Military Fronts need to be identified, and Israel's strategic and immediate military enemies are not necessarily on its Borders or Armistice Lines. For example, strategically speaking, Iran is Israel's greatest enemy; surprising, militarily speaking, the semi-stateless Palestinians are not even close. Next is Syria, .... I now stop (arbitrarily).

And, I wish return to my question about your "updates." I am simply directing attention to when and where you issued your 1st update here:

May 20, 2019 update: Walter Russell Mead writes in "Palestinians Need to Get Real About Israel":

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Daniel Pipes replies:

I don't quite follow your question - what difference?

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Updates on Victory (Israel) [347 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RobertSep 26, 2022 18:55286872
1"Difference" [241 words]RobertSep 27, 2022 16:16286872
1Robert has a point here [131 words]PrashantSep 28, 2022 11:17286872
1Russia is not the enemy, Putin is [174 words]PrashantSep 17, 2022 23:01286539
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Victory needs to be righteous [105 words]PrashantSep 17, 2022 22:37286538
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Ukrainian victory would not include Crimea [39 words]mythSep 17, 2022 15:51286314
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Biden slouches toward the Powell Doctrine [65 words]
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DaveMay 29, 2022 15:35282089
Your site resource for learning [68 words]PrashantMay 30, 2022 13:22282089
I take it back [123 words]DaveMay 30, 2022 13:52282089
American Foreign Policy Being Dictated by Foreign Interests - Implicitly or Explicitly [425 words]M ToveyMay 30, 2022 17:44282089
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The Jig is up for Obama- response to Svet [121 words]Anne- USAAug 10, 2009 09:31159979
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Spot on, once again Mr. Pipes. [137 words]Noel BeardAug 6, 2009 07:47159737
True Victory [144 words]Josh GarrettAug 3, 2009 17:57159596
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1A Few Points to Note, Dr. Pipes [188 words]
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Aymenn JawadJul 27, 2009 07:01159339
I concur [42 words]SloganeerJul 29, 2009 19:19159339
Recognizing and Identifying the Victor and the Defeated. [50 words]Lily BrullJul 27, 2009 03:47159334
Pipes' Poignant and Correct. [76 words]Mark HarrisJul 26, 2009 21:47159325
Surrendering to Iran [226 words]Stephen HughesJul 26, 2009 16:54159315
Victory [47 words]
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Martin KesslerJul 26, 2009 12:19159308
What is Victory? [147 words]vigilant101Jul 26, 2009 11:01159303
Since when does race = policy? [59 words]Angie JacksonJul 26, 2009 22:06159303
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The lack of personal courage at the very top [65 words]SeafarerJul 26, 2009 10:40159300
Victory at what cost? [141 words]Angie JacksonJul 26, 2009 10:28159299
What do you mean by Victory over the Palestinians? [270 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDJul 26, 2009 05:11159290
Israel is too PC to impose a victory and lasting peace [118 words]Joe KaffirAug 2, 2009 12:10159290
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