helen: Beheading is halal and was practiced regularly by the Prophet

Submitted by Plato (India), Aug 27, 2009 at 23:27

helen, you wrote,

>>Firstly beheading is not allowed in Islam. Just because you may have seen a muslim beaheading in iraq or arghanistan this does not mean it is from islam. <<

Your denying beheading in Islam does not make Islamic beheadings go away. The Prophet set the example (sunnah) in this regard. The most gruesome beheadings were those of the Banu Quraiza men, all 800 to 900 of them. In a single day. You can find mention of beheadings in the Koran, the sira and the sahih hadith literature:

008.012 YUSUFALI: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "Iam with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

And from : "Sirat e Rasulullah" by Ishaq, page 464 After 800-900 male adults of Bani Quraiza were beheaded in batches, and thrown in trenches dug in Madina, the apostle divided their property, wives and children as booty… He took Rayhana d. Amr b. Khunafa for himself.

Tabari VIII:39 "Then the Messenger of Allah sent Sa'd bin Zayd with some of the Qurayza captives to Najd, and in exchange for them he purchased horses and arms."

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4390: Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

Bukhari , Volume 5, Book 59, Number 362: Narrated Ibn Umar: Prophet then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280: Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri: When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah

Allah tells you in the Koran to strike your enemies above the neck i.e. behead them. This is exactly what he did to the hapless Jewish men of the Banu Quraiza.

The prophet oversaw the beheading hundred of Jews according to the judgment of Allah.

After the battle of Badr his companions sought out Abu Jahl's body and brought back his head and threw it at the prophet's feet.

Muhammad had the husband of Safia, a Mother of Believers, Kinana bin Rabi, tortured and beheaded.

Beheading infidels is as halal as thrashing one's wife for fear of disobedience.

>>Just at fornication is not from christianity but many christians do actually participate.<<

Why have you brought up fornication into this discussion? But now that the word is out fornication is nothing compared to the sins of your prophet. He marries the 18-year-old Jewess Safia after having her husband tortured and beheaded. He did not wait the mandatory iddat period, breaking the sharia law. He made another young Jewess Rayhana a concubine/wife after having her husband beheaded. As a granddaddy he take a 9-year-old to bed as allowed by sharia. This is worse than fornication.

>>The reason in a court od law that a woman witness is only worth half on a man is that women are viewed as much more sensitive emotional beings, and this could get in the way of the actual facts.<<

LOL. Your madrassa education is showing. If you believe that you will also believe that women make up the majority in hell. And IF you are a woman you also deserve to be in the same place for thinking so lowly of your sex.

It is sad to know that Islam and Sharia make Muslim women look down upon themselves and destroy their sense of self-worth.

>>What you say about the rape issue is completely incorrect, i think that you must view the punishment systems in saudi and from the taliban as sharia and this is just not the case at all.I dont understand why if you do not commit any crimes you would be scared of sharia?<<

The Taliban may have got it wrong. But the Saudis follow the sharia to the letter and you cannot fault them as they are the inheritors of the prophet's legacy. They understand the Koran in its original form and in the Quraish dialect in which it was delivered. To tell the Saudis they are interpreting the Sharia incorrectly is like a Pakistani telling the British he does not know what his law really says.

>>There are literelly hundreds of people every day in the west reverting to islam, male and female, and this is certainly not by the sword!<<

When Muslims try to revert to the religion of their forefathers, paganism, Christianity, Zorastrianism etc Muslims have them beheaded as required by the Koran:

004.089 YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their

ranks;-

>>Afghanistan does not have any oil reserves that is correct but are you not aware of the gas pipeline that needs to be run through afghanistan? A deal that was actually brokered by america with the taliban just before the 2001 invasion?<<

Is that why the Americans are willing to sacrifice hundreds of lives and billions of dollars in Afghanistan?

>>With regards to 3 wives...1400 years ago there was no council houses, income support or tax credits for the widows or single mothers (and we all no that there are plenty of single mothers in the west, mainly who dont actually know who the father of their baby is!)<<

So Allah could not see even 1400 years into the future and know that all these facilities will be available for widows and single women. Why did His sharia not foresee that women need to suffer polygamous husbands only for this short period and need not go through this indignity for all time?

The women victims of misyar and muta marriages (Islamic prostitution allowed by Sharia) know the fathers of their children are, yet have no claims on the men responsible.

>>The only way that women could get money for their children is by begging or prostitution.<<

That is because Islam leaves women without education, are discouraged from working outside the home, cannot work with men and are deprived of full inheritance rights.

>>The prophet muhammed did have more than one wife but only after his first wife khadija(who he was married to for 24years passed away).<<

That is because the Prophet was more interested in teasing his fellow- tribesmen about the stupidity of worshipping their idols instead of his phantom in the sky and did not do an honest day's work of camel-herding after Khadija accepted him. He had to depend on a rich wife to make his life of ease making fun of his forefathers' religion possible. Which self-respecting rich woman would allow her penniless husband to go spreading his seed among rival women?

>>The women he did actually marry were not young attractive beautiful women, they were older women with many children in tow.<<

Obviously you have been kept in the dark by your madrassa about Juwairia, Safia, Rayhana, Maria the Copt, and Aysha. ROTFL. Do an internet search for these names.

>>He simply did this for the reward as these women were now safe.<<

Safe in his harem and under an iron law especially revealed for them!

033.033 YUSUFALI: And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance;….

>>Nowhere in islam doe sit say women cant drive, please prove this to me, this is just another saudi culture issue not taken from islam.<<

Saudi culture is true Islamic culture. Where else do you find Islamic culture but in the land of the Prophet? In Pakistan? In Indonesia? In Egypt? Where in the Koran does it say women cannot go out without the burqa/niqab?

>>With regards to women being covered when they leave the home... do you ever see women raping men?<<

The don't need to. Seducing a man is as easy as ABC!

>>If you took a set of twins and dressed one in a little mini shirt and low cut top and the other covered modestly, and sent them down the street where there were men, who do you think would get all the perverted sexual remarks?<<

A prosperous looking old man walks down a street and gets mugged because he is easy prey for the thugs on the street. Do you clean the streets of these thugs by throwing them in jail or do you advice the man to dress in rags?

Islam is the only religion that criminalizes a woman's body which Allah brought naked into the world. Islam requires the woman's body to be in prison behind the four walls of a man's house or under an all-encompassing black hood. It seems it is a crime to have a woman's body according to Islam.

Regards

Plato

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