didactic statements

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Sep 1, 2009 at 23:58

Mr Doulah writes:

"....Please do not be hostile to others. This is not a civilized way of public relationship."
Just because a person does not believe in your worldview does not make that person 'hostile'. I take any human being as I find them. However I do not support the spread of a set of beliefs in my society which proves itself time and time again to be anathema to core Western values. You want to do Islam - do it in our country. And when your country becomes a shining light - then talk to us about how wonderful your belief system is Until then - sort out your own problems.

"Islam clearly states that everybody should follow his own way. That is the norm of our modern civilized world. Live and let live. "

It also states quite clearly what it thinks of Jews, Christians, polytheists, homosexuals etc etc. Do I have to re-quote the Koran for you to find those references again? It's littered with such sayings. I'm sure you know that - and you know that most readers on this board know it. You are defending the indefensible.

"Peaceful co-existence is the message of any civilized society. Hatred is an identity of animalism."

Sure, I agree that's why we don't behead Muslims in my country. That point would be better made to your co-religionists in Pakistan, Iran , Afghanistan , Somalia, Iraq , Lebanon, Thailand, the Phillipines etc

"All human being can live together in peaceful co-existence in civilized society."

Good point. That's the message the West is trying to get across in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why is it so hard for them to hear it? BTW, peaceful co-existence in civilized society does NOT mean sharia.

"To whom belongs Australia or the United States or Canada? "

To the people of the Commonwealth of Australia, the Dominion of Canada and the people of the United States of America respectively. Obviously. Whom else do you think it belongs to? Russians? Chinese? North Koreans? Muslims? .......You wish. To whom does BanglaDesh belong - Australians?

"To the white immigrants from Europe? "

Why bring race into it. But now that you have, I'm afraid so . Basically Australia is > 80% white European. You don't like the fact that a couple of hundred years ago 2 societies met and the one with superior technology and social systems became dominant? Sorry, but that's just history.

"No. These countries belong to the original (i.e. the earlier) inhabitants. "

And before that - what then? So using your logic - we should all move back to central Africa ??? Or would you rather have had Australia for example be occupied by Russians or the Chinese ? I'll give you a guess as to how many Aboriginals would be left now if that were the case.

"But they are no more in the forefront. "

and why was that do you think?

"No need of going into details."

that would be a convenient way of making a statement and then not backing it up with any facts at all wouldn't it?

"Every Islamic way is a decent way of life and living. "

Yes - I know. I see its results nightly on TV. A very decent way of life. You go ahead and keep on enjoying it.

"There is not a single way of living in Islam which would disturb or interrupt any non-Muslim in any country."

That's exactly what the Copts in Egypt, the Bahai's in Iran, the Christians and Hindus in Pakistan, the Christians and animists in Indonesia, the Jews in Yemen, the Jews in Israel keep saying. Every things OK and it can't happen here...

"......Of course, adjustment is necessary."

Sounds very Orwellian. What sinister little adjustments did you have in mind?

" If some one is not exactly civilized then help him to become civilized. Because he is your neighbour. If some one has a civilized life-style then your living will be better. Hence, help others for your own better living."

Right - good point. So why do Taliban and others blow up schools and bridges in Afghanistan that have been built for FREE for THEM and their children by Western forces? There is a limit to how much tolerance we have as well don't forget.

"Insulting others is very easy. This is an uncivilized act. Always it is better to win and influence others."

I don't believe I've overly insulted any person directly but if you find anything I have written insulting - be specific , point out the factual errors. But if you think that criticism of Islam is insulting - then that's just too bad. Islam NEEDS its fallacies exposed to its adherents.

"Not speak of Beer or Whisky -- any intoxicating drink or food is bad for man. Any pork; ham; bacon; in some cases red meat; stale food; scientifically proved harmful food and drink; and intoxicating drugs and herbs are bad for all human being. These are totally prohibited to the Muslims. Why not avoid those, even by consulting doctors. "

What has your diet got to do with anything? I'm really not that interested, but to make it clear diet and use of any substance is a personal choice. But speaking of red meat - what happens at the end of Ramadan? How many young lambs right now happily running in paddocks around the world are going to have their throats cut in a couple of weeks?

"Do not become allergic and hostile to Islam. Islam loves you, do not hate Islam."

'Islam' doesn't love me. Islam is a set of (erroneous) beliefs in people's minds. A set of ideas cannot 'love' me. And of course I'll criticise a primitive backward religion that thinks it is 'supreme among all religions'. There is zero hatred involved towards adherents of those beliefs, much as I don't hate kindergarten kids for believing in Santa Claus. But if those beliefs cause disruption in culture and society then it's almost a civil duty to expose it for what it is.

"Analyze history. You had some way of living 5 centuries back in the West. Now you have a new way of living. Good. But this does not mean that you will not welcome better changes. "

Every culture has a past and a future - what significant, non obvious point are you making?

"With the passage of time you will find many bad, mad and sad things in your society. You may like to have change. And there will be changes. "

"Do not hate faithful Muslims; they are also human being and your fellow citizens. In ways of life and living, sometime they are worse than you. Help them to learn. Sometime they are better than you. Learn from them."

Pious Muslims are all well and good - but I'm not going to sit around and let well- meaning but deluded people consciously spread ignorance through promoting what they and they alone think is the 'supreme' religion in my society. It's a fait accompli in yours I know - but here we have a choice. But have no fear , I'm not going to physically hurt them or persecute them - as happens to Christians etc in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan - and sadly even in 'moderate' Turkey .

"Live and let live."

Check those passages on Infidels, Jews, Christians etc you find in the Koran again

"Help thy neighbours."

sounds almost Biblical

A.B.M. Shamsud Doulah

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