the mythical islamic paradise under sharia.

Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kafiristan (Australia), Aug 31, 2009 at 06:29

'helen' writes:
"You can be a christian, polytheist or anything under an islamic state "

Gee, that's mighty generous of you.

But unfortunately , once you take off the Islam coloured glasses -,the on-the-ground real life experience is that is only as a second class citizen.

And if this, as one of a myriad examples, in the ISLAMIC Republic of Iran, -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6083067/Iranian-man-to-be-stoned-to-death-despite-moratorium.html

is how they treat Muslims who don't abide by theeir interpretation of their bizarre rules - woe betide any non-Muslim.

Here's one woman's perspective - somebody speaking from practical experience , of what to expect when Muslim numbers and sharia reach a tipping point in any society.

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=776&Itemid=1

What, you don't like her already? She is just making it all up. You don't believe her because her opinion is only half that of a man's? Or was that a quarter? Or even less - because she's a non-Muslim?

"....you just cannot try to take people away from islam i.e try to con vert people from islam to christianity. "
Why on earth not? If it can be clearly seen from many , many years of use that brand A is better than use brand Z and it can be seen that brand Z actually is detrimental in some way (psychosocially, for example) - don't people who do not use brand Z, and actually derive benefit from brand A - have a moral imperative to inform people that brand A gives far better results? And that , through demonstrated widespread use even brands C, D, E etc give better results than brand Z

Is it right that the manufacturers of brand Z kill or jail or otherwise persecute those who use brand A for suggesting brand Z is a dud?? Especially when after 1400 years of use of brand Z , good outcomes from its use are still very hard to get - whilst its bad outcomes are ubiquitous.
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"As i stated before it is the western governments who are not allowing the muslims establish sharia law in the muslim countries, "
Well , Helen , as someone who seems to be wanting make people believe you are talking sense rather than making idiotic, mindless assertions - can you point out which particular countries 'the West' is not allowing Muslims to establish sharia rule in? And is this Nato, the USA , the EU, the Brits, Germans, French, Canadians, Australians or have those naughty Kiwis been up to no good again? a litle sharia might be good for them , eh? They can get up to some real hijinks after closing hours.

".....they want to keep their cake and eat it at the same time! "
and what cake might that be exactly?

"As for medievel laws i would call allowing paedophiles to be released after 2 months in prison and then be given victim support and change of identies medievel! "

Not sure what you are talking about - probably some U.K. case in which normally functioning, thinking human beings were disgusted that some peophile did not get what he/she deserved. But seeing you're up on U.K. crimes - have there been any recent cases of 53 year old men having sex with 9 year old girls? And not just one-offs - where the perpetrator continued with his perversion for years?

YOu've probably heard the story from california now - where the now 60 year old man had sex with a 14 year old girl - who now at the age of 29 has 2 children to him. This man has been almost creating his own religion by all accounts - he was finally caught out while going to a campus to preach . Apparently God speaks to him every day too. Somewhat reminiscent of the Waco/David Koresh saga - that guy had underage girls too - but I think 11 was a little young even for him.

Now, where was I, oh yes, repeated sexual activity with pre-pubescent girls by middle aged men, claimiing to hear voices from the Deity..... another case comes to mind... but I just can't quite remember who it was.voices. darn!

"Do you really think that muslims in the middle east look at the west and crave for the values of the west!"
Let's see , no why are so MANY Muslims desperate to get into Western countries?? Could it be just the general ambience, the multitude of personal and political freedoms, democracy, the health systems, the generous social security system (they are rather over-representated in that after all), free and secular education systems (..can't be, otherwise they wouldn't insist on Islamic schools) , the availability of cheap and free entertainment - be that public broadcasting or libraries etc, the proliferation of research endeavours in every field of ats and science, the freedom to choose and practice whatever religion you want, by far and away for the most part - a fair and just and humane legal system which decided many centuries ago that hacking off limbs was not really a very good solution to petty theft - and that hanging people for having a different theological viewpoint was effective only temporarilly in stifling dissension.

"See you on judgement day xxx:"
YOu have no guarantee of that. BUt let me ask , you as a woman , what are you expecting? An inexaustible jug of wine, some nice green cushions and 72 virgins?
But I'm going out on a limb here and guessing you're not gay, ? So what happens?

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