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The hidden origin of Islam

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 11, 2013 at 06:12

David wrote

With those perspectives in mind, it should be realized that the Arabs haven't been a main player in the Middle East since the mid 8th century. In 750AD, the Persians resumed power under the guise of the Abassid who promptly build Baghdad (old Persian for "God's Garden") and moved their capital there. Over time

There is no doubt that one of the great anomalies about the history of the Arab invasions of the Middle East in the 7th century is that how can a few thousand Arabs invade and destroy the Byazntine empire and the Sassanid empire? and how can they conquer far superior civilizations? How could a bunch of caravan raiders and warriors looking for looting and raping and mayhem conquer such great empires unless those that did the fighting and the planning were not those backward Arabs?

We are told by Muslim historians that only 4000 Arabs invaded Egypt and were able to defeat the great army of the Byzantine empire in Egypt! and yes I realize that the number 4000 could very well be the topos of 40,400,4000 nontheless it still does not explain what really happened

Now the Persians invaded the Byzanitne empire (The Levants and Egypt) starting in 616CE (The Muslim ulama tell us that this war made it to the Qur'an is surat al-ruum or Q30) and this war exhausted the resources and the powers of both empires. However, the Greeks were able to fight back and were able to defeat the Persians and the turning point was in Mesopotamia in 622CE and the Persians pulled out of Egypt in 628CE

Now in the case of Egypt the Arabs invaded Egypt in 642CE and here is the problem the invaders could very well have been Arabs but how can 4000 Arabs invaded and conquer a rich country of 7M (the is the population of Egypt on the eve of the Arab invasion) which does not sense unless those invaders were Persians under the guise of those Arabs! Sounds far fetched? but this is the only way that one can explain this anomaly

More evidence? It is no secret that as per Ali Dashti 70% of the books of al-turath al-islami or the literary sources of early Islam were not written by Arabs but by Persians and that Persians made Islam what it is and not the Arabs! Can you imagine Islam without al-Tabari or al-Zamakhshari or even the Arabic language without Sibawayhe? Oh the Arabs? the rule of the Arabs in defining what Islam is all about is marginal at best

Now the Abbassids were not Arabs they were Persians after all why would they establish their capital not in al-HIjaz but in Baghdad and use the Persian words the garden of god and not the Arabic term hadiqatu Allah? Because they were Persians and not Arabs and the only way I see it here is that the way for the Persians to go after the Byzantine empire again is to do it under the guise of the Arabs and this very well explains it all

So it seems to me that it was Persians that invaded the Middle East and also created Islam under the guise of the ignorant Arabs! Sounds far fetched? But it is the only way to explain this anomaly

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Plenty to chew on [1211 words]David W. LincolnJun 10, 2013 11:24206872
10The hidden origin of Islam [552 words]dhimmi no moreJun 11, 2013 06:12206872
3Abbasid and Muslim Caliphate [257 words]seven upJun 13, 2013 12:12206872
9Our dear 7 Up and ignorance is bliss! [1690 words]dhimmi no moreJun 15, 2013 07:24206872
1Also, on the "hidden origins"... [122 words]JC VaughanJun 18, 2013 15:08206872
The hidden origin of Islam revisited [286 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2013 07:09206872
1revisionist historians of Islam beware. [211 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 06:33206872
2the Truth - abbasid Caliphate [909 words]Gaurdian of DeenJun 22, 2013 14:55206872
3The looters join other looters this is a fact [727 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:09206872
2Teaching victims of Arabian imperialism one at a time part one [1170 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 07:59206872
2Our dear GoD is saying that Muhammad must be the author of Suart al-Ruum what a disaster [445 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 09:35206872
2Islam and racism and the victims of Arabian imperialism [256 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 10:43206872
3Adna means Nearest! And half knowledge is damn dangerous [1425 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:24206872
2Exposing lies and ignorance and this is what Ibn kathir says about Q30:3 and the word al -adna [190 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 11:35206872
4Άλωση της Κωνσταντινούπολης, and when the civilized join the barbarian [178 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 12:08206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs for the readers read and laugh [887 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2013 14:52206872
1More evidence from Kutub al-Turath that the word Adna means Nearer and not lowest! this time it is al-Qurtubi! [295 words]dhimmi no moreJun 24, 2013 14:08206872
Proof for all readers [56 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:43206872
دنيء mean lowly [140 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 00:57206872
Lowest point on Earth [122 words]Guardian of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:31206872
not a surprise at all [31 words]Guaridan of DeenJun 25, 2013 01:36206872
It only took 4 years [149 words]MozereJun 25, 2013 16:18206872
6The Quranic disaster of Surat al-Ruum! Again! [1971 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 07:30206872
Prophecies of Muhammad [315 words]Guardian of DeenJun 26, 2013 08:09206872
4Exposing lies: this time Quranic translations of the word al-adna! [593 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:13206872
2Teaching ignorant tablighees one at a time and this time the map of the last Persian/Greek war [89 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:27206872
2Teaching Arabic to wannabe arabs and the word Greek in Arabic and the word Ruum [638 words]dhimmi no moreJun 26, 2013 13:49206872
1Tablighees are told if you have no answers then change the subject or الحيدة [155 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 06:33206872
Mongol and other tribal invasions and origins of Abrahamic religions [115 words]MozereJun 27, 2013 07:02206872
1More ignorance [699 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:09206872
1More lies and ignorance [147 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2013 07:51206872
2Our dear Guardian is quoting kuffar sources and he rejects Islamic sources! What a disaster [589 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 06:39206872
2When confronted with fact - change the topic! [381 words]dhimmi no moreJun 28, 2013 07:02206872
and speaking of changing the subject [60 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:03206872
1The civilized and the barbarian [217 words]dhimmi no moreJun 29, 2013 09:49206872
read the map one more time, [81 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:54206872
you could not refute any prophecy [723 words]Guardian of DeenJul 3, 2013 02:31206872
2The flat Quranic earth! [391 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:44206872
1And the ignorance goes on and on [371 words]dhimmi no moreJul 3, 2013 08:58206872
1Our dear GoD prays to Muhammad what a disaster [762 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2013 12:51206872
1More tablighee twsists and turns [284 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 06:56206872
2Allah tells Muhammad in the Qur'an that he cannot foretell the future! So do you disagree with Allah our dear Guardian? [97 words]dhimmi no moreJul 5, 2013 12:50206872
nice try [67 words]Guardian of DeenJul 5, 2013 16:45206872
1Exposing lies and fabrications and ignorance [176 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2013 06:27206872
here are the verses of the unseen [107 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:10206872
reply to your questions [152 words]Guardian of DeenJul 7, 2013 06:20206872
lazy ... [21 words]Guardian of DeenJul 9, 2013 03:34206872
1Teaching Arabic to wannabe Arabs [387 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:31206872
Adna again! [175 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 16:39206872
2More lies and exposing liars [882 words]dhimmi no moreJul 9, 2013 18:11206872
Getting confused? or struck dumb? [45 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 02:59206872
here is another translation for the word low [55 words]Guardian of DeenJul 11, 2013 03:08206872
1Tablighee twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 11, 2013 06:23206872
More twists and turns [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 05:52206872
2More tablighee ignorance [162 words]dhimmi no moreJul 12, 2013 07:20206872
Adna means low [71 words]forkNov 29, 2019 05:02206872
Our dear Fork needs to stick to Urdu! And Argument from "But al-Qurtubi was human and not infallible" [454 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:02206872
al-Tabari defines the word Adna! More disasters for our dear Fork who needs to stick to Urdu! [185 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:26206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time translations of the Qur'an [110 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 08:39206872
Our dear Fork aka شوكة and argument from: Ask a Christian Arabic! Oh is this another ridiculous "Brother Christian Arabs call their God Allah"? [144 words]dhimmi no moreDec 1, 2019 11:38206872
Our dear Fork where is your evidence that "Adna means low"? I will be waiting [418 words]dhimmi no moreDec 2, 2019 06:54206872
Our dear Fork is not aware that al-Mufasereen have no clue what does the Qur'an say in Surat al-Ruum! [678 words]dhimmi no moreDec 3, 2019 12:28206872
Adna has two meanings like I said before [108 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 19:09206872
Adna has more than one meanings [101 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:11206872
Your comment shows you dont know what you are talking about. Proof in comment below. [87 words]ForkDec 16, 2019 20:26206872
1Dhimmi-no-more's repeated arguments with Islamists show that Islamic doctrine cannot be sustained [379 words]PrashantDec 17, 2019 23:09206872
Our dear Fork must be saying that Arabic speaking Mufasereen are a bunch of liars and he has the answer [393 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:04206872
Our dear Fork and the Qur'an says that the earth is flat! [351 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:24206872
Our dear Fork al-Tablighee is not aware that his link from elmaany dictionary tells us that Adna means NEAR! I wonder why? [1114 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:41206872
Every tablighee and his cousin and Arabic to English translations of the Islamic literary sources and it is a disaster [146 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:54206872
More questions for our dear Fork! [46 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 09:57206872
The Qur'an and modern Arabic! [270 words]dhimmi no moreDec 26, 2019 13:04206872
Our dear Fork and teaching the Arabic language to wannabe Arabs and the word for today: دنيء [359 words]dhimmi no moreDec 27, 2019 05:46206872
Here is Tafsir al-Tabari of Q7:169 and the word al-Adna [202 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:33206872
Our dear Fork: You need to stick to Urdu and stay away from "googletranslate" [56 words]dhimmi no moreDec 28, 2019 07:42206872
More disasters for our dear Fork is not aware that the Qur'an says: Allah did not send any miracles to Muhammad! [244 words]dhimmi no moreDec 30, 2019 11:18206872
More disasters for our dear Fork and this time from Tafsir al-Jalalyin and Q7:169 [249 words]dhimmi no moreJan 1, 2020 12:12206872
Book Review: "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts" [407 words]dhimmi no moreJan 7, 2020 11:30206872
4Jewish Prophets Words Bear Fact in the Coming Middle-East Wars [477 words]BrianJun 9, 2013 23:46206865
Go Brian Go! [8 words]FroikeJun 21, 2013 12:02206865
The Republic of Turkey [73 words]MozereJun 22, 2013 03:57206865
not quite true [124 words]Guardian of DeenJun 29, 2013 09:42206865

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