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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 6, 2006 at 18:48

Did you ever hear of Ibn Manzur and do you know anything about him? And did you ever hear of his Lisan al-'Arab? It is a nice little invention called the Arabic dictionary par excellence!

I suspect you know no Arabic and that is OK, and I suspect that Ibn Manzur's dictionary will be beyond, and you must pardon me, you. I do not know where you live, and if you live here in the US you can go to your nearest Borders or B&N and check "The Hans Wehr Dictionary of Arabic" and check pages 832B and 833A and yes Hans Wehr follows in the path of Ibn Manzur word for word.

And now this is what it says page 833A the root is from KFR and no it does not have anything to do with:

1. Kafara or hide (you only hear this nonsense from Pakistanis that do not understand the Arabic language root system because if you think for a minute that it has anything to do with kafara, I can argue very much that it also can have some thing in common with the word Kafr or village as you sahll see in 2).

2. Kafr (kaf feh reh) or village.

All these words might have the same root but they are as different as it can get. And this is the nature of the semitic root system. Do you see my point here? ...It is total ignorance of the Arabic language if you link the the following words:

1. Yakfur or he becomes a kafir or an infidel ( Sibawayhe's yaf'al)

2. Kafara or he covers ( Sibawayhe's fa'ala)

3. The word kafr (Sibawayhe's Fi'l) or village.

So ya ayuha al-faylasoof al-kabeer do you think that may be a village and cover and kafir are all one and the same? I'm just being sarcastic here.

Now this is what it says in the dictionary: "kafir (kaf alif feh reh) pl. kuffar (kaf with a damma, feh with a shadda and a fatha, reh) , kafra, kifar: irreligious, UNBELIEVER (in Islam), _INFIDEL_, atheist, ungrateful."

Nothing about your and you must pardon me your bogus falsaffa, covering the truth that is.

I noticed that you did not debate my statement about ibn Taymiyya and Sayyid Qutb who declared that Muslims (oh the warm and fuzzy Islam!) can also be declared at times as kuffar. You did not ask me for a reference, and now I will provide with one and it is Ibn Taymiyya's" kitab iqtida al-sirat al-mustaqim" And notice that ibn Taymiyya called those Muslims that celebrate maulid al-Nabi (oh I forgot you know no Arabic: Muhammad's birthday) or if they visit a Sufi tomb they (those Muslims that is) are :KUFAR. This is the word that this guy called his other Muslims.

You wrote: "Yusuf Hamza" and who is he? And should I believe him but not believe ibn Manzur? Did you ever hear of something called a primary source, and you must agree with me Mr. Yusuf who ever he is ain't a primary source. Ibn Manzur is a primary source.

Then you wrote: "It is not enough to assert that kaffir means non-Muslims. You must porve it" So what do you want me to do? Coduct a study to prove to you something that you can find in the Arabic dictionary par excellence: Lisan al-'Arab? What dot you think Abd al-Rahamn?

Then you wrote: " The Qur'an clearly states that anyone who believes in God and does good deeds while believing in the day of judgment has no need for fear this includes non-Muslims yet kuffar are people destineed for hell expalin that to me."

You must pardon me but this is nothing but blah....blah...blah. Lots of hot air but no meaning. ... Hint: quote a dictionary!

The real test is if you can visit let us say Cairo or Damascus and ask anyone who is a kafir? If you tell them about your little thing about " to cover the truth" or whatever, they will think that you are, and you must pardon me, ignorant and funny.

To the readers of the thread:

A kafir is:

1. A non-Muslim (as if non Muslims care).

2. A muslim under certain condtions described above.

Submitting....

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Malaysian Govt. PaysPreachers for Marrying Kafirs [18 words]S.C.PandaAug 18, 2006 01:4653311
... Wrong fact! [44 words]fade leyAug 6, 2006 00:4751764
minorities in malaysia [54 words]RAJESH GOGNAJul 1, 2006 06:0748644
Discrimination in Muslim majority country [167 words]GopalJul 1, 2006 01:4648636
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For Abdul Rahman: is the word kaffir offensive? [780 words]dhimmi no moreJul 1, 2006 07:4148560
your interpretation is wrong [61 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 4, 2006 07:3348560
Abdul Rahman: Islam and the turth! And how do you propose that one can cover the truth? [142 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2006 17:3748560
wrong [230 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 6, 2006 05:4748560
For Abd al-Rahman (this is the proper transliteration of your name) [710 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2006 18:4848560
hostile and nasty [638 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 14, 2006 06:0748560
Dr. Pipes [71 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 14, 2006 06:1448560
For Abd al-Rahman: Do you really know what are really diacriticla points and not marks as you claim? [216 words]dhimmi no moreJul 14, 2006 21:5548560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and the poor muslim theology [765 words]dhimmi no moreJul 15, 2006 08:0148560
What is a decent translation? [60 words]Kevin MJul 15, 2006 20:5548560
addressed to the arrogant one [286 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 16, 2006 06:2048560
For Kevin: And a good translation of the Qur'an [696 words]dhimmi no moreJul 16, 2006 08:1148560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and who is really a kaffir? [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 17, 2006 06:4348560
read properly [234 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 18, 2006 22:1248560
refutation [234 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 19, 2006 07:3248560
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please explain [190 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 20, 2006 05:3248560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and Chutzpah!!! [562 words]dhimmi no moreJul 21, 2006 07:2548560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and "covering of sins" and the word kaffir!! [168 words]dhimmi no moreJul 22, 2006 07:1548560
read what I wrote truthfully [182 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 22, 2006 18:2648560
For 'Abd al-Rahman: "covering up the truth?" And Muslim logic!! [594 words]dhimmi no moreJul 23, 2006 18:4648560
For Abd al-Rahman [225 words]MoayiddOct 9, 2007 09:0148560
Our dear Moayidd and gem time [283 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 07:5648560
More gems from our dear Moayidd and big time falsafa [325 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 18:5648560
Slight correction [24 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 20:1348560
Our dear Mo'ayyid and his examination in Syriac and Egyptian and Arabic and Judeo-Arabic [173 words]dhimmi no moreOct 12, 2007 18:3748560
Clarification [168 words]MoayiddSep 7, 2009 00:3648560
Our dear Mo'ayyid and the word Kufr [1071 words]dhimmi no moreSep 12, 2009 08:5148560
Oh I'm waiting for your naswer our dear Mo'ayyid [211 words]dhimmi no moreSep 26, 2009 20:2848560
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Our dear khan and the Qur'an [88 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2010 19:5248560
Wrong [68 words]KhanMay 13, 2010 20:4948560
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Myth of moderate Malaysia [103 words]VijayJun 30, 2006 05:3648512

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