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Submitted by Abdul Rahman Reijerink (Australia), Jul 14, 2006 at 06:07

Sarcasm is ugly. Very.

No I do not debate what Ibn Taymmiya and Qutb say. It is written fact that I will not deny. I do not have to agree with them. Neither do other scholars. many do not.

If you can't see the connection between the different words in the root meanings then God help you.

The root (without diacritical marks) is as you say KFR, the same for every word you cite, therefore their meanings ARE all linked in some way according to the native arab speakers (university teachers and religious scholars) who I have talked to and listened to.

You will note that if Ibn Taymmiya and Qutb were correct in their virulent hatred of their fellow muslims, that the meaning I cite [ie to cover the truth] would actually be appropriate ie IF celebrating the mawlid was shirk [polytheism] then from a muslim it would be an act of Kufr or covering up the truth of tawhid [monotheism], since as muslims they should know that tawhid is truth and shirk [polytheism] falsehood.

The author of a dictionary is NOT a primary source.

Do you know the difference between denotative meaning and connotative meaning? I suggest that "irreligious, UNBELIEVER (in Islam), _INFIDEL_, atheist, ungrateful" is an acquired meaning through association and not a literal meaning just like muslim "one who submits [to the will of God]" has come to mean someone who believes (whether they are in a state of true submission or not).

Calling my arguement based on the Qur'an "hot air" is rather weak, it is a primary source where a dictionary clearly is not, it is secondary material based on compilation and research.... unless you assert that he actually coined all of the words in the dictionary, which I am sure you do not.

I will restate it in a manner that should be accpetable for your demands.

Qur'an translated by Ali chapter 5 verse 69

Those who believe (in the Qur'an). Those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), And the Sabians and the Christians,- ANY [my emphasis] who believe in Allah [i.e. one God] And the Last Day, And work righteousness,- On them shall be no fear, Nor shall they grieve.

That is the promise from God, not the opinion of a scholar or a man who compiled his understanding of the language in a book.

I am no scholar so I am not qualified to give interpretation on this verse, but any that I have heard freely admit that it applies to anyone who truly believes in the oneness of God and does good deeds, [however some of them try to qualify it by saying that if someone hears about Islam and does not become a muslim it does not apply to them- a position that I think is weak and do not hold]. Are you a native arab speaker? or are you just relying on a dictionary?

Being smart and transliterating my name for me is not very clever, I do have enough arabic to know, but I stick with the common usage thankyou. Whatever your differences with someone, you should really show more respect when debating with people, your behaviour in your last posting is very unbecoming. You can be right and still have nice words with someone that you think is wrong.

You still have not answered to my satisfaction why I should ignore the opinions of Pakistanis, while ignoring the fact that non-Pakistani scholars who have learnt in Arab nations and north Africa follow similar usages. The fact is that many Pakistanis teach the Arabs now, yes their accent can be terrible but that does not affect their knowledge.

The real test is not in visiting Cairo or anywhere else, the truth lies with God alone, all we can do is make sincere attempts to uncover it.

Submitting....

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Malaysian Govt. PaysPreachers for Marrying Kafirs [18 words]S.C.PandaAug 18, 2006 01:4653311
... Wrong fact! [44 words]fade leyAug 6, 2006 00:4751764
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For Abdul Rahman: is the word kaffir offensive? [780 words]dhimmi no moreJul 1, 2006 07:4148560
your interpretation is wrong [61 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 4, 2006 07:3348560
Abdul Rahman: Islam and the turth! And how do you propose that one can cover the truth? [142 words]dhimmi no moreJul 4, 2006 17:3748560
wrong [230 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 6, 2006 05:4748560
For Abd al-Rahman (this is the proper transliteration of your name) [710 words]dhimmi no moreJul 6, 2006 18:4848560
hostile and nasty [638 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 14, 2006 06:0748560
Dr. Pipes [71 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 14, 2006 06:1448560
For Abd al-Rahman: Do you really know what are really diacriticla points and not marks as you claim? [216 words]dhimmi no moreJul 14, 2006 21:5548560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and the poor muslim theology [765 words]dhimmi no moreJul 15, 2006 08:0148560
What is a decent translation? [60 words]Kevin MJul 15, 2006 20:5548560
addressed to the arrogant one [286 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 16, 2006 06:2048560
For Kevin: And a good translation of the Qur'an [696 words]dhimmi no moreJul 16, 2006 08:1148560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and who is really a kaffir? [73 words]dhimmi no moreJul 17, 2006 06:4348560
read properly [234 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 18, 2006 22:1248560
refutation [234 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 19, 2006 07:3248560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and "connotation and denotation" Chutzpah and other sordid matters [1169 words]dhimmi no moreJul 19, 2006 18:5248560
please explain [190 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 20, 2006 05:3248560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and Chutzpah!!! [562 words]dhimmi no moreJul 21, 2006 07:2548560
For 'Abd al-Rahman and "covering of sins" and the word kaffir!! [168 words]dhimmi no moreJul 22, 2006 07:1548560
read what I wrote truthfully [182 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJul 22, 2006 18:2648560
For 'Abd al-Rahman: "covering up the truth?" And Muslim logic!! [594 words]dhimmi no moreJul 23, 2006 18:4648560
For Abd al-Rahman [225 words]MoayiddOct 9, 2007 09:0148560
Our dear Moayidd and gem time [283 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 07:5648560
More gems from our dear Moayidd and big time falsafa [325 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 18:5648560
Slight correction [24 words]dhimmi no moreOct 10, 2007 20:1348560
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