For 'Abd al-Rahman and the poor muslim theology

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 15, 2006 at 08:01

So you provide Q 5:69 to support your assertion about what the word Kafir really means. Well let us examine it.

These are the difficulties with your assertion:

1. The Qur'an is not an Arabic dictionary that defines Arabic words. Examples here: would you be able to find for me the following words: Safra (jaundice), Tuhal (Spleen), Shabakiya (Retina) in the Qur'an? Let me help you: you will not find them, because these words were _invented_ by Huenin ibn Ishaq (he was a Christian...gasp!!!) during his translation of the Greek learning at Dar al-Hikma in Baghdad in the 9th century some 300 years after the death of Muhammad and these words would have had no meaning to Muhammad or his generation. But they are now perfect Arabic words and you would find them in Lisan al-'Arab.

2. The you are using a poor translation (Ali's translation is one of the worst translations of the Qur'an).

For the readers: Yusuf Ali was an Indian Muslim who only lived in India and England. He never lived in an Arabic speaking country as far as I know and Arabic was not his first language and neither was English. And the end result is a very poor translation that is full of his own personal biases and mis translations. So you see you must examine the source behind the source. But they seem to teach you in Islam not to be critical.

3. Any translation of the Qur'an is not the Qur'an anymore. The Qur'an must be read in Arabic (Arab imperialism!) So what do we get here? It becomes what the Islamic tradition calls: Ta'weel or as they say: "al-tafseer lel sahaba wa al-ta'well lel 'ulama" Oh I forgot that you know no Arabic. You check this one with your Mullah.

4. And last and most important point: The funny doctirne of abrogation or naskh wa mansukh. Sura 9 is the last revealed sura so any "revelation" in 9 will aborgate previous revelations that cover the same subject matter. More later.

Now let us examine what your have quoted and see if your Allah defines the word Kafir in 5;69 and I will provide you with my own linear translation:

Inna al-ladhiin: Those

Aamano: (who) believed (and it is not aspect and therefore it is not believe)

wa al-ladhiin: and those

haaduu (heh with a fatha, alif, dal with a damma, waw, alif) , wa al-ssaabi'uuna wa al-nasara (notice the poor spelling of the word Nassaaraa as the ulama had to add a shadda, two alifs and one fatha to the defective rasm): the Jews, the Sabeans (who ever they are) and the Christians.

min amn bi Allah: from who believes in Allah

wa al-yauwim al-akhar: and the other day (or yauwim al-qiyama or the last day)

wa 'amila: and made (and no it is not aspect)

salihhan: and did right (notice the 'Irab)

fala: therefore not

khawfan: fear (notice the 'Irab)

'Alayhoom: upon them.

wa lahu: and to them

yahzanoon: become sad.

So your Allah is saying: " Those (who) believed and those (the) Jews, Sabeans, (and) the Christiians (from) who believes in Allah, and the other (last) day, and made (performed) and did right, they should not (have) fear upon them and to them become sad (they should not be sad)." I think you get the idea.

So you tell me where does this verse define the word kafir? Let me help you, it does not.

Now I mentioned that any Qur'anic dispensation in same subject matter in sura 9 (because it is the last revealed sura and it will abrogate earlier dispensations in the same subject matter)

Now your Allah declares his infamous ayat al-sayf or 9:5 where he states that the followers of his cult of Islam must "iqtuloo al-mushrikeen" or kill the idolators (the warm and fuzzy Islam) we are also told by the "ulama that this sordid aya aborgated may be 124 other Qur'anic verses and among them is 5:69!!!.

Now in 9:30 your Allah declares that the Jews and Christians must be mushrikeen (ouch the trinity and the bizarre 'Uzair thing) and therefore he declares in 9:29 that Muslims should fight ahl al-kitab (the Jews and the Christians) and get them to pay the jizya.

So much for your Allah that changes his mind.

So you tell us where does it say in the Qur'an in this aya or any other aya anything about the meaning of the word Kafir? ...

For the readers the word kafir means:

1. Non Muslims (as if anyone cares)

2. Other Muslims under certain conditions.

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