Replies to Cousin Fadad

Submitted by Robert Roberg (United States), Sep 24, 2007 at 10:00

In the Name of ALLAH, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful

Hello Cousin Fadad ( I call you cousin because we all come from Adam and Eve. We all share the same blood).

Fadad You wrote:

One can interpret the word spirit in many ways. For example, my friend has a good spirit. Spirit could be an angel too. Some person can posess a good spirit as well. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was the spirit of truth because he spoke what Allah comanded him.

Fadad your English is pretty good but, if you say Mohammad was "the spirit "that means he was a ruach-pneuma or angel....you can say he "had" a spirit of truth, but you cannot say he "is" the spirit of truth unless you truly believe he was a spirit (which I think you do not). Nor was he a Jinn (another kind of spirit) . Although he said he had a jinn that he converted to Islam.

Deu 18:18: "A prophet I shall raise up for them from the midst of their brother, like you; and I shall indeed put my words in his mouth, and he will certainly speak to them all that I shall command him"

Fadad you write: Moses here speaks of the prophet to be sent by God who is: (1)From among the Israelite's "brethren". (2) A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets who were so much alike as Prophet Moses (PBUH) and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Both were given a comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them.

(Cousin,) Was Muhammad (PBUH) called out of Egypt? No but Isa and Musa were.
Did Muhammad bring his revelation from a Mountain? No but Isa brought his from Mt Zion and Musa from Mt. Sinai.
Did Muhammad (PBUH)'s enemies try to kill him in the cradle? No but Musa and Isa's enemies did.
Did Muhammad (PBUH) appoint 70elders? No but Musa and Isa did.
Did Muhammad (PBUH) rule over 12 tribes? No, but Musa and Isa did.
Did Muhammad (PBUH) reject the throne of political power? No, but Musa rejected his right to rule over Egypt and Isa rejected his right to be the King in Israel.
Was Muhammad (PBUH) a shepherd? No he was a merchant. But both Musa and Isa identified themselves a shepherds. Isa called himself the good shepherd.
Did Muahammad (PUBH) perform signs and wonders (miracles)? No, but Musa and Isa performed hundreds.
To be a lawgiver who escaped his plotters doesn't make much of a case.
Isa was also a lawgiver like Musa and gave 215 commandments (http://www.lulu.com/roberg), but in addition to laws he did all of the things above that Musa did.

Fadad you write: Prophet Abraham (PBUH) and Prophet Moses (PBUH) never called themselves Jews. They were Muslims, which you probably wont agree. Defination of Muslim is someone who follows Islam. Islam is a submission to ALLAH.

(Yes, Cousin, I accept that definition. Surrendering to Allah is what Isa taught and Musa.)

Fadad you say The first bible was written after 325AD ( the council of Nicaea). ( Sorry Cuz, that is not scholarship, but speculation)

Fadad you say the Roman emperor Constantine was --the first Christian emperor.

(I disagree. He was not a Christian, but a pagan who worshipped many gods especially the sun God. He was a blood thirsty warrior but not a Christian. Christians were taught by Isa to be pacifists and love their enemies)

Fadad you say Arius claimed Jesus was distinct from the Father, He was the creature of the Creator, and not as a Son either. (actually Arius taught that Isa was a lesser god but a god nonetheless) He was teaching two gods.

Fadad you say Alexander, (You mean Athansius) however, claimed "as God is eternal, so is his Son--when the Father, then the Son--the Son is present in God without birth, ever-begotten, and unbegotten-begotten." Arius received only two votes vs. over 200 because the pope of Alexandria bribed enough bishops to be able to convene the council before the arrival of the Patriarch of Antioch, whose opposition he feared. Before the Antioch could get there everything was done. They then proclaimed Virgin Mary to be theotokos, or " mother of God"

(Of course both Arius and Athanasius were heretics and both lead people astray.. I agree It's pretty ridiculous to say Yah the Allah has a mother. The creator cannot be created

. Both Arius and Athanasius were splitting the one God into parts and many Christians then and today reject the idea of two or three Gods. For me there is one God (Eloah). His name is Yah and he has no partners. Yah the Eloah of Tsebaoth. (Yah the Allah of Angel hosts).

Fadad you write: Afterwards the church did what they please.

(How sad that so many people in both the Christian body and the Muslim body do what they please and never truly surrender to (Yah) the Allah of Angel hosts. Part of surrendering is the spend your life studying everything you can find about Yah. Seek and you shall find. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. "You shall find me if you seek me with all your heart".)

Fadad you write: They basically altered the Word of God (once again you have no proof but speculation).

Fadad you write: Which Christian bible is the correct one? The Catholic bible contain seventy-three books, the Protestant Bibles have only sixty-six, Samaritans with five or six.

(Cousin, you are asking the wrong question. You should be asking where can I learn everything about Yah my Allah? You should be hungry to read every possible word that Allah has spoken. I read every bible and every holy book from every country. I have been reading the Quran since 1969. I read the Vedas, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Bhagavad Gita. A man who loves and hungers for Yah the only Allah will leave no stone unturned- but yes I am a follower of Isa only. Isa said: Man lives by every word that comes out of Allah's mouth. I find lots of pretty stones in the many holy books of the world but I always find fresh bread when I read Isa.

At the council of Jamnia, the Jews threw out such books as Baruch, Ecclesiasticus, and both Books of Maccabees. In the Case of Daniel, the Jews threw out the last two chapters, settling for an even dozen.

(Cousin, They can throw out whatever they want, as for me I want to read every possible book to find the truth).

Fadad you write: Habakkuk 3:3 speaks of God (God's help) coming from Te'man (an oasis north of Medina according to J. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible), and the holy one (coming) fro Paran. That holy one who under persecution migrated from Paran(Mecca) to be received in Medina was none but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

(Cousin, That's a pretty slim thread to make your case. There were more than one Paran and one Teman in the Bible. There was the wilderness of Paran and many miles away the city of paran and two Temans. I live in Gaineville Florida, but there is also a Gainesville Georgia.

Fadad you write: Think about this: (1) How can a creator be its own creature?

(it cannot)

Fadad you write: (2) If God is neither male nor female

(True Yah the Allah is a spirit and beyond male of female),

Fadad you write: how could God can have a Son?

(Cousin, How did Yah the Allah create all things? By his will. The Allah spoke and it was so. Even your Quan says he willed Mary to conceive by his Spirit:}

Fadad you write: To have a son, there must be male and female. (Not according to the Quran Cousin:

"She said, ‘How shall I have a son, when no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?!'" (Quran 19:19-20)

"He said, ‘So it will be,' your Lord said: ‘That is easy for Me, and We shall make him a sign to the people, and a Mercy from Us, and it is a matter which has been decreed.'" (Quran 19:21)

"And Mary the daughter of Heli, who guarded her chastity, so we breathed into her through Our Spirit ." (Quran 66:12)

"So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place. The pain of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree." (Quran 19:22-23)

Fadad you write: (3) How can a man with intelligence could follow what has been altered?

(Cousin Fadad, how can a man of intelligence base his beliefs on speculations?

We have fragments dated to 30 AD of the New Testament showing no signs of alteration. We have the entire NT found in the writings of the early church fathers of the first century showing no alterations. Bring me your proof if you want to discuss this as friendly cousins and scholars.

May ALLAH guide us to the right path. (Yes that is my prayer also)

Peace be with you Fadad.

Robert in Florida

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